Jim Lampley doesnt think Pac style would trouble Floyd.

[Shambrolic]

So Pacquiao fought Marquez 4 times, yet, he avoided him.
That's ****in hilarious. You guys killing me.

LOL You have some good points. But your opinion is totally biased.

So Pacquiao looked bad against Bradley, get countered like a bum, but Floyd looked great against Maidana?

You talk about Marquez over the top right hand but I never saw this punch his Floyd's arsenal. Floyd punches straight.

Freddy Roach suggest that he was weary of Pacquiao fighting Marquez after that 2004 match where it ended as draw. So it took 4 years for the fight to be made so Pacquiao can improve his skills as Marquez proved that he was an underrated fighter.

Before the 2008 lightweight match Roach claimed Pacquiao improved and wasn't one handed fighter anymore, which will make him beat Marquez and knock him out. Marquez thoroughly outboxed Pacquiao saved for 2 rounds and arguably he has been robbed in this fight which public opinion over time expressed this after Pacquiao moved up yet again and fought opponents who weren't pure boxers and coming off loses where it was an easy blueprint that fit Pacquiao style.

Subsequently the third match was made in late 2011 where Roach once again said Pacquiao improved his right hand and will knockout Marquez. Once again Pacquiao was outboxed, Pacquiao also tried to be conservative in this fight of worry of being countered which happened regardless.

Pacquiao himself may have not been avoiding Marquez but his management did do careful matchmaking so Pacquiao can look dominant in lieu of Marquez performances that exposed weaknesses in Pacquiao.

The fourth match showcased why Marquez was successful against Pacquiao since day 1. Even though he was getting beat to the punch this time around, he knew the habits of Pacquiao and time him with that over hand right he been doing forever.

[GrandpaBernard]

I just read a article and i'm really surprised at what Lampley said.

He was talking about the Maidana fight, and said he thought Floyd won 115-113. He said Maidanas punches troubled Floyd because it's shots he couldn't see coming like a low uppercut and that overhand right. Maidanas recklessness cause him problems. The interviewer asked him about what he thought about the crowd booing in the end when they heard the descion. Lampley said its kinda like the Delahoya fight where alot of time the crowd thinks Floyds getting hit against the ropes when hes actually not.

Now the interviewer asks him if Pac can cause the same issues and he says no.
Hes says Pac has a very conventional approach, and he throws punches from the the same angles like every other great fighter does, he doesn't throw high in the air or low from the floor. Lampley says the way Pac squares his shoulders he'd be a sitting duck for Floyds right hand.

This is actually a valid point

manny isn't known for overhands or uppercuts

when people talk about his angles they're a result of his footwork. he'll pivot to a different angle

[JDD1]

Lara would of been a much better opponent for floyd then Maidana, I predicted Maidana to be too slow for floyd but it turned out that floyd wasnt good enough to take advantage of that.

Pac has a style where it will deterorate much faster with age then floyd's so that is why everyone was saying it would be easy pickings for floyd but after the maidana fight people have started to have their doubts about floyd as well.

All the fanboys will discredit wins but it is a clear fact that pac beating the #3 p4p bradley is a much better win then floyd beating a unrated maidana.

The only thing is any Manny fan saying tim was at p4p #3 rings hollow because of the way pac fans trashed him after the first manny fight and the ruslan fight.

Up until the rematch was signed, Manny fans all disregarded tim's p4p ranking because they felt, as did I, that he lost to Manny. To then cosign it after the rematch because manny won is truly scummy.

[RAV3N]

50 cent had no official role in Mayweather's camp, he wasn't even present during the negotiations. He also has reason to be bitter towards Mayweather for refusing to ditch Al Haymon and join his promotional company.

Roach on the other hand is a central figure in Pac's camp, he was present during negotiations and he has no reason to have any animosity towards Pacquiao.

50 cent and floyd were like best friends and if you take Roach's word he said that pac was at first to blame and that floyd was to blame after that.

[TIGERPRIDE]

Maidana was always thought of as a threat by REAL BOXING FANS...Nobody thought of Bradley as a threat to Pacquiao. NOBODY!

[RAV3N]

The only thing is any Manny fan saying tim was at p4p #3 rings hollow because of the way pac fans trashed him after the first manny fight and the ruslan fight.

Up until the rematch was signed, Manny fans all disregarded tim's p4p ranking because they felt, as did I, that he lost to Manny. To then cosign it after the rematch because manny won is truly scummy.

And a lot of floyd fans were saying that timmy was too good and his ring IQ was too high for manny.

Some of the pac haters were saying that pac would be knocked out into retirement.

The point is a lot of fanboys talk chit but at the end of the day Bradley was #3 p4p and Maidana was unranked.

[TIGERPRIDE]

The same Flaw that caused Marquez to KO Pac is still present. Nasim Richardson had the idea and marquez just exposed it more. Its still there and it aint going anywhere....Pac has way too many flaws man.

[RAV3N]

Maidana was always thought of as a threat by REAL BOXING FANS...Nobody thought of Bradley as a threat to Pacquiao. NOBODY!

REAL BOXING FANS=floyd fans, nice to know, go back and watch amir khan beat maidana lolz.

[Calabis]

Pacquiao's an effective counter-puncher. I don't see him being moved onto the backfoot, Bradley managed it for a few rounds but it was hard work and it gassed him out.



Pacquiao wants his opponents to come at him offering him a target, it's much harder for him to chase opponents down and be the hunter.

Judah's a pure boxer, Pacquiao is much more unorthodox and unpredictable, more volume and more movement. Moreover, Floyd lost the first four rounds of that fight. FMJ did it against Ortiz but Ortiz can't counter in volume like Pacquiao, and he's not as fast either.

Pacquiao biggest weakness is counter/lead straight right hands....that's Floyd's best punch. If you look at the Marquez dream street fight...I believe he threw that same right approximately 19 times(counted a long time ago) before he landed the so called lucky one. Bradley had success when he was shooting it straight up the middle...he tired out when he started that bull**** haymaker right hands and quit boxing. Neither one of these guys have Floyd's right in power or speed....also Pac is not going to be able to bully Mayweather against to ropes and Floyd will walk him down once he gets his timing down. Manny gets hit to get his offense off.....this isn't 2009 Pac anymore.

[fabie]

This is the beauty [and folly] of the sports' specters...we can all make educated and rational guesses based on "facts" [and experience to many] and what we see but this is why the sport is great because there's a lot of unpredictability factors.

What we can't see are the minutae and impromptu actions and reactions by both fighters. ANY PUNCH is always a possible harbinger of death for the other...any punch. We've seen that with Marquez on the brink of seemingly in Pac's favor and inevitability only to be hit with a well-timed and precise right cross.

While I am not talking about a one punch per se and in its literalness, both fighters also have great capabilities to "follow up" and go for the kill. Well, more so with Pacquiao's style while Mayweather doesn't skimp on his combos either.

Now both in their not-so-ideal status - slower, older and less power behind their fists, their weaknesses are now more magnified. More than ever.

It still has to happen - for closures' sakes. Even in their "old" form and their "last hurrahs", an epic fight can happen or could be a thud.

Sooooo Pac Fans think Pac will be successful with that superman punching style he has?
Pac has the same flaws he has had since he started boxing....he jumps at fighters to land that 1-2 right left....maybe because he is always out of reach but it is a bad flaw to have against a guy with laser precision STRAIGHT RIGHT

This "superman punching style" is a niche style based on PROPER TIMING. From his ubiqitous power that landed many of his opponents it has become his arsenal more so as a liability. And so ANY PUNCH (as I have mentioned earlier) can be a liability to an opponent who can exploit it into a weakness.

And thus for Pacquiao, it isn't a "bad flaw" as you put it. It CAN be if he wasn't disciplined and throwing without any sense of timing at all. When he was a lot younger, his 1-2 punch was that, predictable as to what he would do but unpredictable as to when he would turn it on.

Thus in his record of 56 wins, can we still call that as a "bad flaw"?