Some serious observations about the Glove fiasco

[Miggaty]

Several questions exist that were not addressed during that whole scene:

#1 - Was Garcia aware of the diminished padding in the gloves Maidana was originally going to wear (The one's rejected by the NSAC and Team TMT)
If he was then that is incredibly suspect -- any trainer that's been in the game for as long as he has should have noticed that there was a padding discrepancy right away without an outsider bringing it to his attention ......... Again extremely suspect!

This is a question that should have been asked of Garcia that night, by both the Commission and TMT.

And is the real reason Team Maidana, is raising hell about being allowed to use their magic gloves is because they've used thin gloves before in ignorance. Because here something that Garcia cannot get away from -- If he cannot tell that those gloves were thin in the knuckle on May 3rd, then he most likely allowed the use of thinned gloves before, because he doesn't know any better.

And that situation would demand that Garcia be thoroughly informed and trained about the proper thickness of Pro. boxing gloves going forward.

#2 - All this talk about allowing Maidana to wear his gloves of choice is a valid one -- But they must have the recommended amount of padding. He cannot have his special gloves with diminished padding and think that everyone should go along with that BS.

#3 - TMT has to learn to accept the decisions of the NSAC and also accept that just because TMT is the A-side, doesn't mean that they can control every aspect of the event. And it doesn't mean that they have the final say in all matters.

Now point\question number one, doesn't infer guilt, nor does it imply that Garcia knowingly and was willingly allowing the use of thinned gloves.

But it does suggest that if he doesn't know the difference, then now is the time to learn.

The gloves are mailed to the commission wrapped up straight from Everlast. Garcia didn't see the gloves until that night. No other camp that Maidana has fought has ever objected these gloves. Floyd knows the gloves were legal he just wanted Maidana to use pillow gloves so he wouldn't feel the punches as much.

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Yea ok it's always nice to read the back of a box, but... This whole situation was a joke & is a complete non issue for those experienced with boxing gear. You need to try these gloves on. It's night and day.

[PAKYO]

nothing to discuss, TBE in cheating and that's that..
also half the blame on the other camp for allowing themselves to be cheated.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

And the gloves Team Maidana had, had been opened prior to the controversy and re-wrapped in Saran wrap .......

This is the statement in the above video from the Grant Representative.

It's not uncommon to open the gloves and try them on before you hand them over, especially if they are special order gloves. Maybe they wanted to check them out and look them over.

Bottom line is you are making some pretty big accusations and so is this Grant glove rep. You don't cheat by giving the "illegal" gloves to the commission....LOL

What part of that don't you understand? You cheat when you get the gloves back and then take padding out or load them.

This is absurd and it's a non issue. We have Everlast MX in the gym and I can tell you they look very worn the day they come out of the box. They have that look because they are horse hair, not foam.

[arraamis]

The gloves are mailed to the commission wrapped up straight from Everlast. Garcia didn't see the gloves until that night. No other camp that Maidana has fought has ever objected these gloves. Floyd knows the gloves were legal he just wanted Maidana to use pillow gloves so he wouldn't feel the punches as much.

The Grant Rep. who was there, stated that the Blue gloves were not factory packaged and were wrapped in Saran Wrap.

[brick wall]

what's the point of bringing up what gloves were not approved by nsac? the fact still remains that floyd didn't allow maidana to wear even the ones approved by nsac.

besides, it could very well be that those initial gloves got disapproved by nsac when floyd started complaining. if nsac approved those kind of gloves before or will approve it in the future then it is so obvious that they just tried to accomodate floyd's complaints.

a big b itch move by floyd no matter how you spin it.

[Kiddoe]

what's the point of bringing up what gloves were not approved by nsac? the fact still remains that floyd didn't allow maidana to wear even the ones approved by nsac.

besides, it could very well be that those initial gloves got disapproved by nsac when floyd started complaining. if nsac approved those kind of gloves before or will approve it in the future then it is so obvious that they just tried to accomodate floyd's complaints.

a big b itch move by floyd no matter how you spin it.

^^^Right on point. Green for you sir.

[arraamis]

It's not uncommon to open the gloves and try them on before you hand them over, especially if they are special order gloves. Maybe they wanted to check them out and look them over.

Bottom line is you are making some pretty big accusations and so is this Grant glove rep. You don't cheat by giving the "illegal" gloves to the commission....LOL

What part of that don't you understand? You cheat when you get the gloves back and then take padding out or load them.

This is absurd and it's a non issue. We have Everlast MX in the gym and I can tell you they look very worn the day they come out of the box. They have that look because they are horse hair, not foam.

I understand all too well that there are some very questionable discrepancies.

Some which led to all the Blue Gloves being blanket rejected. Now if this brings su****ion on Garcia, then it is what it is. But you as well are making several assumptions in your comments -- Of which I made only suggestions about whether Garcia knew those gloves would be questioned, & if he didn't then he needs to revisit what will pass an inspection and what won't.

Having a box of gloves all without their factory sealing and wrapped in saran wrap would be questioned by anybody.

I've never worn Everlast, only Rival, Title and Grant, which weren't mine. So, other than the pictures I have no experience with the MX's.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

I understand all too well that there are some very questionable discrepancies.

Some which led to all the Blue Gloves being blanket rejected. Now if this brings su****ion on Garcia, then it is what it is. But you as well are making several assumptions in your comments -- Of which I made only suggestions about whether Garcia knew those gloves would be questioned, & if he didn't then he needs to revisit what will pass an inspection and what won't.

Having a box of gloves all without their factory sealing and wrapped in saran wrap would be questioned by anybody.

I've never worn Everlast, only Rival, Title and Grant, which weren't mine. So, other than the pictures I have no experience with the MX's.

You still miss the point. Answer this basic question without going into these conspiracy theories.

What benefit would Garcia have in turning in gloves that he knows won't be approved?

If they were out of the package like you said, ok that's fine it shouldn't have been done and maybe they messed up. At the same time, it's a non issue because you don't cheat before turning them in.

Like I said before, these gloves are hand made, they will never be exactly the same. So the commission can refuse them for that very reason. There is no "standard" in these gloves.

I just think you are insinuating something that is a non issue is all man. I don't think Garcia is a glove maker, or knows what or won't be approved by the commission.

[L3TH4L]

I understand all too well that there are some very questionable discrepancies.

Some which led to all the Blue Gloves being blanket rejected. Now if this brings su****ion on Garcia, then it is what it is. But you as well are making several assumptions in your comments -- Of which I made only suggestions about whether Garcia knew those gloves would be questioned, & if he didn't then he needs to revisit what will pass an inspection and what won't.

Having a box of gloves all without their factory sealing and wrapped in saran wrap would be questioned by anybody.

I've never worn Everlast, only Rival, Title and Grant, which weren't mine. So, other than the pictures I have no experience with the MX's.

The fact that you have never laced up a pair of MX's proves how little you know about the subject matter. Let's say Maidana's camp did remove some padding, how would they be able to restore them back to the same condition without the factory equipment needed to make the gloves?

Are you implying that Everlast - one of the most renown sports equipment manufacturer, purposely designed the gloves to have less padding on the knuckles?

Here's something you failed to mention, why hasn't the NSAC taken action against Madiana's camp if the gloves were in fact illegal?

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