Some serious observations about the Glove fiasco

[12TRIBEsRiSe]

Those blue ones were horrible and the fact they were even a part of the equation is whack they looked like pampers, but if they fight again hopefully he can wear what he wants outside of something without padding

[arraamis]

There was NOTHING wrong with Maidanas glove, none of them. Not the custom blue ones made by Everlast, not the red ones Mayweathers own fighters use themselves yet didnt let Maidana fight with.
The Everlast representative was there, looking pretty pissed I must say, and said the blue gloves had the exact same padding as original red MX.
Just to please TMT, they asked Maidana to use the original packed red MX, but even THAT wasnt enough. They basically ended up forcing him to use the sht they wanted, huge sparring gloves that put Maidana in a serious disadvantage that has no place in a civilized era of sporting.
And you have the balls to come here with this BS about Maidana's gloves having no padding?
Man, go fk yourself.

Dude, I can tell that making a fool of yourself is a habit -- And that reading comprehension isn't one of your strong points, but don't go away mad, just go away.

[arraamis]

^^^This is exactly correct.

At the end of the day TMT did not want Maidana to wear any of the "punchers" type gloves (Everlast MX or Cleto Reyes). They wanted to sapp Maidana's punching power by having him wear heavily padded "pillows" which in the end they were successful. Maidana ended up having to wear the Everlast powerlock model designed with heavy padding and hand protection in mind.

Powerlock
• Powerlock technology, a defined anatomical foam construction that guides your hand into a natural fist position.
• Compact glove design allows for superior fist closure providing a balance of speed, comfort, and protection while delivering a powerful punch.
• Premium leather ensures long-lasting durability, functionality and performance.
• Competition lace-up gloves.
• Available in 8 OZ, 10 OZ, and 10 OZ XL sizes.

MX
• Premium Mexican Leather maximizes flexibility and wrist comfort.
• Custom horsehair and foam blend allows for optimal power transfer.
• Carefully handcrafted in Mexico for superior quality.
• Competition lace-up gloves.
• Available in 8 OZ and 10 OZ sizes.

Only difference is one if foam and the MX has the custom horsehair blend and better leather.

[FerFAL]

Dude, I can tell that making a fool of yourself is a habit -- And that reading comprehension isn't one of your strong points, but don't go away mad, just go away.

Lets see:
1)You think Robert Garcia needs to be taught anything about boxing gloves.
2)You're enough of a dumass to believe there was anything wrong with those MX Everlast gloves.
3)You cant see what that scumbag Mayweather was trying to do.
And I'm the fool here?
Please do go fk yourself. You desperately need it.

[wiz1030]

The gloves were sent from Everlast to Golden Boy and then brought before Garcia, the NSAC, and Ellerbe.

It shouldn't matter if the customized blue ones were defective or unsatisfactory. The red ones were commission approved and should've been allowed. Team Maidana shouldn't have caved in to TMT demands. They wouldn't get blackballed, Floyd would just look cowardly for ducking at the last minute not wanting to fight a guy with gloves that are commonly used in the sport and approved by the commission.

They simply should've called their bluff.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

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Several questions exist that were not addressed during that whole scene:

#1 - Was Garcia aware of the diminished padding in the gloves Maidana was originally going to wear (The one's rejected by the NSAC and Team TMT)
If he was then that is incredibly suspect -- any trainer that's been in the game for as long as he has should have noticed that there was a padding discrepancy right away without an outsider bringing it to his attention ......... Again extremely suspect!

This is a question that should have been asked of Garcia that night, by both the Commission and TMT.

When you work a pro fight, you turn in the gloves to be approved by the commission. Sometimes they approve them, sometimes they don't. If they don't approve them, it DOES NOT MEAN THERE'S SOME ILLEGALITY TO THEM. They can be disapproved for many different reasons, most likely contractual reasons.

You are jumping to conclusions with this question, and it's very dishonest of you. Robert Garcia would not take the risk of cheating in his biggest fight as a trainer, and second...why give illegal gloves to the commission for approval?

If you are going to cheat, at least be smart about it.

And is the real reason Team Maidana, is raising hell about being allowed to use their magic gloves is because they've used thin gloves before in ignorance. Because here something that Garcia cannot get away from -- If he cannot tell that those gloves were thin in the knuckle on May 3rd, then he most likely allowed the use of thinned gloves before, because he doesn't know any better.

And that situation would demand that Garcia be thoroughly informed and trained about the proper thickness of Pro. boxing gloves going forward.

There is no "proper thickness" to gloves. Different manufacturers make different types of gloves, that's why some are punchers gloves, some are not. Also, gloves are HAND MADE, so there will be discrepancy between same makers and brands.

#2 - All this talk about allowing Maidana to wear his gloves of choice is a valid one -- But they must have the recommended amount of padding. He cannot have his special gloves with diminished padding and think that everyone should go along with that BS.

There is no standard padding, that's why the commission has to see the gloves and approve them. There is standard weight, that's it. There is a standard in how the glove is made, but because they are handmade in Mexico, you will not have two pairs identical to each other.

#3 - TMT has to learn to accept the decisions of the NSAC and also accept that just because TMT is the A-side, doesn't mean that they can control every aspect of the event. And it doesn't mean that they have the final say in all matters.

Now point\question number one, doesn't infer guilt, nor does it imply that Garcia knowingly and was willingly allowing the use of thinned gloves.

But it does suggest that if he doesn't know the difference, then now is the time to learn.

This is the bottom line in all of this. You negotiate gloves in the CONTRACT, not hours before the fight. I think it was just a stunt for the fight personally because Cotto wore the same gloves against Mayweather and he seemed to have no issue with them.

Again, Garcia's job is not to know the difference. Gloves are fighters decisions, not trainers. I rarely get involved in the glove selection process in my fights. Unless there's a specific brand that everyone doesn't or does want to use.

You are looking way into this, Maidana had his outfit picked out, and the brand of glove because according to the contract he could choose any brand he wanted.

When the glove controversy happened, Garcia and Maidana said they would choose the Reyes, and those were denied. Bottom line is, Floyd wanted to make a deal out of it, and it was.

Everlast MX are a popular brand of gloves used all the time in pro fights and there's nothing "illegal" about them.

[arraamis]

[QUOTE=Cuauhtémoc1520;14515191]

When you work a pro fight, you turn in the gloves to be approved by the commission. Sometimes they approve them, sometimes they don't. If they don't approve them, it DOES NOT MEAN THERE'S SOME ILLEGALITY TO THEM. They can be disapproved for many different reasons, most likely contractual reasons.

You are jumping to conclusions with this question, and it's very dishonest of you. Robert Garcia would not take the risk of cheating in his biggest fight as a trainer, and second...why give illegal gloves to the commission for approval?

If you are going to cheat, at least be smart about it.



There is no "proper thickness" to gloves. Different manufacturers make different types of gloves, that's why some are punchers gloves, some are not. Also, gloves are HAND MADE, so there will be discrepancy between same makers and brands.



There is no standard padding, that's why the commission has to see the gloves and approve them. There is standard weight, that's it. There is a standard in how the glove is made, but because they are handmade in Mexico, you will not have two pairs identical to each other.




This is the bottom line in all of this. You negotiate gloves in the CONTRACT, not hours before the fight. I think it was just a stunt for the fight personally because Cotto wore the same gloves against Mayweather and he seemed to have no issue with them.

Again, Garcia's job is not to know the difference. Gloves are fighters decisions, not trainers. I rarely get involved in the glove selection process in my fights. Unless there's a specific brand that everyone doesn't or does want to use.

You are looking way into this, Maidana had his outfit picked out, and the brand of glove because according to the contract he could choose any brand he wanted.

When the glove controversy happened, Garcia and Maidana said they would choose the Reyes, and those were denied. Bottom line is, Floyd wanted to make a deal out of it, and it was.

Everlast MX are a popular brand of gloves used all the time in pro fights and there's nothing "illegal" about them.

Apparently all the custom blue gloves were rejected by the NSAC.

[arraamis]

And here's the guy from Grant commenting on the gloves.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

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Apparently all the custom blue gloves were rejected by the NSAC.

Sure, that's fine but again, it's nothing to do with Robert Garcia. They manufacture the gloves, then you turn them in to the commission to get approved.

Some do some don't, it's not like Garcia altered the gloves or told Everlast to take padding out. Any blame directed at Garcia is absurd. Mayweather just felt the gloves and decided not to use them, which was BS because they should have negotiated that in the contract.

Which BTW, the contract said they could use any glove brand they wanted as long as it was approved by the commission. It was either a staged drama by Floyd, or poor management by Ellerbe in not negotiating glove brand.

BTW, Elerbe is a low life piece of **** who has no class, and no professionalism. He talks like he's on the corner, instead of acting with respect and dignity.

[arraamis]

And the gloves Team Maidana had, had been opened prior to the controversy and re-wrapped in Saran wrap .......

This is the statement in the above video from the Grant Representative.