Where does the HATRED for the Klitschkos on this forum stem from?

[RightCross94]

I've always found Holyfield boring.

Tyson was exciting.

wtf!!!!!!!!!!!

this is what i mean, you're such an idiot

Holyfield lately (at what age 46!) has been pretty boring, but thats because his legs left him about 10 years ago and hes such a relic of himself, he can barely even fight in spurts
Prime holyfield was one of the few fighters who could combine solid skills, speed and great combination punching with great toe to toe action and drama, terrific fighter and better than the K bros will ever be

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there you go tunney, some real HW action

[-Swizzy-]

wtf!!!!!!!!!!!

this is what i mean, you're such an idiot

Holyfield lately (at what age 46!) has been pretty boring, but thats because his legs left him about 10 years ago and hes such a relic of himself, he can barely even fight in spurts
Prime holyfield was one of the few fighters who could combine solid skills, speed and great combination punching with great toe to toe action and drama, terrific fighter and better than the K bros will ever be

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there you go tunney, some real HW action

I remember that round like it was yesterday. man, those were the days.

[kenso]

the division isn't great but at the same time, he isn't exactly fighting the best of that bad division. he never fought chagaev, valuev, ruiz, maskaev when any of them were champs. Sure he would have beaten all of them but, he didn't even step into the ring with them which just makes a horrible hw division that much worse.

im pretty sure none of those guys wanted any piece of any klitschko when they had a title. ESPECIALLLYYYYY valuev. im not 100% sure about the others. not sure about ruiz he isnt the dodging type, but maskaev and chagaev IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY(honestly may be wrong), had opportunities to make matches with wlad.

and ibragimov wasn't as hard as wlad made it look. when he was agressive, he had a lot of success and sultan would not know what to do. but wlad would revert back to his boring jabbing style and he was just satisfied with ending the fight that way.

agreed. overall wlad fought so smart where even many of his longtime fans were left sorely disappointed. at least he acknowledged it was a boring fight. hopefully none will be as boring in the future, also at least 50% of the blame lies with sultan.

thompson was another piece of crap. he just punched and hugges thompson as if thompson has a killer counter punch that he was trying to avoid lol. that was so sad to watch. no excuses for either performance.

i disagree, thompson was finding home to a few punches, and frustrating klitschko a bit early on. thompson is one of the more skilled heavyweights going right now, he just has no power or aggression haha. still, wlad found a way to negate anything thompson had going, and soon gained control and systematically picked thompson apart until he put him to sleep!

and no one put a gun to haye's head but haye tried his best to negotiate this fight. at the end, he realized that his legacy and fans are more important than getting a better split over revenue. haye did whats right for his fans and his legacy over whats right for his pockets. that is rare in boxing nowadays.

maybe, but haye is not even a top ten heavy yet.... he fought monte barrett, if hes had another heavy weight fight, obv no one cares about it. him taking the revenue cut and fight terms is a shortcut to him getting this fight. haye could have worked his way up and become #1 contender and had it much easier. but klitschkos run the place right now, gotta play by their rules. also given hayes attitude, im sure that may have played a role in him getting an unusually strange deal. keep in mind though, that haye is still probably getting his biggest payday off this fight several times over.

and don't tell me that wlad was just doing this cuz he knew he could. he was trying to price himself out of this fight and if that isn't proof enough, then the 2 rematch clauses should be enough proof that wlad was scared and tried his best to avoid this fight. and why shouldn't he be. after all, Haye has tones more power, speed and skill than the 3 guys that ko'd him.

if wlad didnt want this fight to happen, it wouldnt have happened. negotiations were originally held by like hayes trainer or something werent they? that probably had an effect on how all this ended up. negotiations were on and off for months. klitschko could have killed the deal if he wanted to.

given all this, a double rematch clause is definitely a bit ridiculous. as far as being scared? nah, no one fights as many times as these guys have, as big of guys as these guys have, as long as these guys have, and is scared. its all business dude, what doesnt make sense to fans probably makes alot of sense to the dudes behind it all. haye shouldnt be complaining. if he is able to take advantage of both rematches, he will end up being a wealthy mother ****er. plus he will instantly be on top of the boxing world. the two rematch deal is a GOOD thing for haye. and if he wins and they back out, that just makes him look even that much better.

anyways, wanna put any points on haye? cause i sure dont mind puttin some on klitschko

[-Swizzy-]

maybe, but haye is not even a top ten heavy yet.... he fought monte barrett, if hes had another heavy weight fight, obv no one cares about it. him taking the revenue cut and fight terms is a shortcut to him getting this fight. haye could have worked his way up and become #1 contender and had it much easier. but klitschkos run the place right now, gotta play by their rules. also given hayes attitude, im sure that may have played a role in him getting an unusually strange deal. keep in mind though, that haye is still probably getting his biggest payday off this fight several times over.

haye unified a division right below HW. in every other division, fighters who are champs in one division have the right to go up a division and face the best right away. example: Pacquiao, Hatton, De La hoya, Hopkins, Darchinyan, JMM.... and the list goes on and on. Why doesn't Haye have the same right especially the fact that he cleaned out the CW division in such an impressive fashion?

if wlad didnt want this fight to happen, it wouldnt have happened. negotiations were originally held by like hayes trainer or something werent they? that probably had an effect on how all this ended up. negotiations were on and off for months. klitschko could have killed the deal if he wanted to.

he had to accept this fight cuz Haye gave him an offer he could not refuse. what is wlad gonna make from this fight? $20-30 million? that kind of money is certainly worth the risk of losing.

given all this, a double rematch clause is definitely a bit ridiculous. as far as being scared? nah, no one fights as many times as these guys have, as big of guys as these guys have, as long as these guys have, and is scared. its all business dude, what doesnt make sense to fans probably makes alot of sense to the dudes behind it all. haye shouldnt be complaining. if he is able to take advantage of both rematches, he will end up being a wealthy mother ****er. plus he will instantly be on top of the boxing world. the two rematch deal is a GOOD thing for haye. and if he wins and they back out, that just makes him look even that much better.

and its not that Wlad is scared of Haye directly cuz its not like he's gonna die or suffer a serious injury in the ring no matter how much beating he takes from haye. its the fact that his reputation is on the line that will make a guy like wlad hesitant. the guy has a huge following in germany and a loss to haye will certainly deminish that fanbase. That is what he is scared of. Not David Haye himself.

anyways, wanna put any points on haye? cause i sure dont mind puttin some on klitschko

I wouldn't bet on this fight. I'm hoping for a haye win but I certainly don't think its a guaranteed win.

[Special K]

The haters have had to eat humble pie for the past few years with Wlad making seven straight (Six KO) defences, and Vitali coming back at 37 and battering two dangerous young contenders. Haye is the new hope, although if he is battered I doubt the hate will subside.

[Allucard]

I can't seem to place it. No matter what either Klitschko has accomplished in the ring, there has always been a disproportional amount of contempt for them on this forum and others on the internet. This has been going on for years. I'm not trying to start a flame war, but I think both brothers are great for boxing and are exactly what the sport needs (clean cut, intelligent gentleman who behave themselves out of the ring and always show up to fight in good physical condition and usually produce knockouts)to progress into the mainstream. In what ways does my perception of them differ from yours? I'm curious to hear from all the Klitschko haters on the forum.

They aren't great for boxing, they are not exiting! I have nothing against them personally but my kind of champion is someone who will use more than jab/grab combos and have some kind of an healthy killer instinct, not a robot so when i watch Wlad fight i root against him. But it's hard to root against him when he fights guys who are there for a paycheck and won't even try hard enough, have excess fat and are there clearly to lose. So i kind wished both guys were KTFO at the same time. Against Haye i'm all for Haye because he's exiting at least. At least i like what he says.

[Allucard]

The haters have had to eat humble pie for the past few years with Wlad making seven straight (Six KO) defences, and Vitali coming back at 37 and battering two dangerous young contenders. Haye is the new hope, although if he is battered I doubt the hate will subside.

Well, most of who you call "haters" can't bare to watch a full Klitschko fight, so no interest there really. If he wasn't fighting Haye (a fight he clearly didn't want as he made it almost impossible for the fight to happen) i wouldn't also be replying in here. Most of boxing fans completely ignore you man. How do you feel about that?

[MissDeeCole]

kinda obvious dont ya think

[hammerhiem]

My dislike for Wlad stems from:

Round 1

Shuffle, shuffle, Jab, Shuffle, shuffle, Jab, Shuffle, shuffle, Jab, clinch because my opponent looked like he wanted to throw a punch, Shuffle, shuffle, Jab, Shuffle, shuffle, Jab, Right cross, Shuffle, shuffle, Jab, clinch because my opponent looked like he wanted to throw a punch, Shuffle, shuffle, Jab, Shuffle, shuffle, Jab, Shuffle, shuffle, Jab, uppercut, Shuffle, shuffle, Jab, Shuffle, shuffle, Jab, Shuffle, shuffle, Jab, Shuffle, shuffle, Jab, Shuffle, shuffle, Jab, Shuffle, shuffle, Jab, end of round. Wlad 10 - bored opponent 9

Round 2

Shuffle, shuffle, Jab, Shuffle, shuffle, Jab, Shuffle, shuffle, Jab, clinch because my opponent looked like he wanted to throw a punch, Shuffle, shuffle, Jab, Shuffle, shuffle, Jab, Right cross, Shuffle, shuffle, Jab, clinch because my opponent looked like he wanted to throw a punch, Shuffle, shuffle, Jab, Shuffle, shuffle, Jab, Shuffle, shuffle, Jab, uppercut, Shuffle, shuffle, Jab, Shuffle, shuffle, Jab, Shuffle, shuffle, Jab, Shuffle, shuffle, Jab, Shuffle, shuffle, Jab, Shuffle, shuffle, Jab, end of round. Wlad 20 - bored opponent 18

Rou.. ahh fcuk it i'm watching crown green bowling.

I respect him, but he's the most boring fighter in the history of the sprt.

[Njord777]

I think Wladimir has become quite methodical as of late. When we've wanted to see fire, a destructive offense backed by his size and speed, we instead see steady work of a jab and quiet patience until a late, accumulative stoppage or wide unanimous decision. Safety over risk; and thereby something of a reward.

Klistchko has shown he's the best, but he's not always that exciting doing it. If he were just a very good, tactical heavyweight that'd be one thing- but he's the unified champion in a division with a reputation for legend. Maybe the glory days of the big boys are over; if Wladimir has a similar style in any other weight class he'd just been seen as a great technical boxer; as a heavyweight he's seen as boring.

Let's not forget the chin he's hiding with his recent safety, either.