Bernard questions pacquio

[Ro2535]

Rios was found dirty when Ariza first joined the camp and in the Briner fight in a round break Ariza was making Maidana inhale something.. Guy got his ways.

He tested positive for a diuretic which isn't strictly a PED, ask any TMT fan. Couldn't make the weight, took a diuretic instead of losing out on the biggest payday of his life. Maidana was tested by USADA after the fight and was clean. Fans of Broner were just mad that a 'punching bag' like Maidana could give him such a spanking. Grasping at straws

[mourinho1]

My only beef with the accusations are where are the failed drug tests? There have been plenty of high profile fighters that have used PED's or other banned substances and have failed and its been made public. If Pacquiao was on the juice then he would have been caught by now IMO.

There is no proof.

Alistair Overeem(MMA+K1) also wasnt caught for years... untill they randomly tested him. Actually he tried to escape but another mma fighter snitched on him while he was trying to get away(big country nelson).

With this said most tests werent always bloodtests and urine tests are as good as no tests for a pro.

certain dudes are just suspect because they refuse strict testing the opponent asks of them.
MMA: Hendricks
marquez
Ward
and Pac

but yeah innocent untill...

[MindBat]

There is a far, far higher likelihood of Hopkins taking steriods than Pac. A 50 year old sprains a muscle getting out of the bathtub, yet Bernard is still taking out the top guys in the division - very, very su****ious.

I think the chances Hopkins is not on drugs is between 1 and 3%.

The average 50 year old is not as physically active as B-Hop, who's career involves maintaining a high physical fitness level. And who's to say B-Hop hasn't suffered minor injuries while training?

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[DeadLikeMe]

This is NSB. Where running away from stricter drug testing and canceling a fight over it means you're a clean and brave warrior, while taking more stringent testing means you're a scared coward.

[R_Walken]

I'm not saying Pac is or isn't on PEDs but your reason for su****ion are a bit off I think.

Just because Freddie didn't know what Ariza put in his shakes doesn't mean anything illegal was put in. Freddie is his trainer not his nutritionist. The only way Freddie would know what was in the shakes is if he witnessed Ariza making them every time, otherwise he has no cause to know. Pac and Arizas buisiness is between Pac and Ariza

If you suspect Pac was dirty because he worked with Ariza, that su****ion has to be levelled at anyone Ariza works with and I don't hear anyone saying Maidana or Mikey are dirty because they work with Ariza.

What Teddy Atlas said were rumours just like the Floyd failed 3 times rumour. If you believe one, you should believe the other.

Floyd telling Pac to take the test in my opinion was a power move and Pac/Bob were unwilling to bend. If an NBA/NFL team refused to play another team until they were all tested for PEDs would the opposition simply comply or would they say, 'Who the **** are you to tell us what to do. If the governing body tell us to, no problem, but we don't just do what you tell us to.' I suspect it would be the latter every single time. Also asking someone to submit to extra testing is an insult to that person.

In terms of body mass, there is someone who has done something similar..Floyd.
At 16 Floyd was fighting at 106 pounds, at 16 Pac was also fighting at 106 pounds. The difference was FLoyd was fighting as an amateur and Pac was fighting as a pro so he could eat. That's why Pac was able to go up so many division. He was a poor malnourished 16 year old kid fighting proffesionally and sleeping on his gym floor. Once he got notice and money, his training and nutrition improved drastically. Floyd is also much more muscular than he used to be so they are effectively in the same boat with weight/muscle imrovement.

But to be honest I think most boxers are on some sort of PED. The commissions almost set it up so that it's semi-legal. Don't ask, don't tell kind of mentality. They don't do good enough testing and most people would take advantage of that to get a competitive edge or fight on a level playing field, which ever way you want to look at it.

Good counter points just my personal opinion that he more than likely was using PEDS, I kind of view it as this

True Freddy isn't going to know what Ariza put in his shake and isn't responsible but why would he in a way throw su****ion towards Manny to make Ariza look bad. It seemed more like a slip of the tongue like when he admitted Arum wants the Manny -Floyd fight for Manny last fight.

With Atlas, You may not like him but he reports it like he sees it I don't think he'd risk his reputation / credibility saying something that he didn't believe is true. Again if it was just Atlas saying this then whatever but it's just like there's multiple times where its been brought up to makes you wonder.

Agree about it could be a power/ego move everyone involved is a egomaniac with lots of pride so I could understand the reaction by PAC but why not say FU that instead of making exuses and having members from his team say he's afraid of needles ( when he has tattoos) , they make him weak, Like Insaid earlier I believe it was a well known secret like when steroids was in baseball that Manny was on that juice but athletes aren't going throw each other under the bus, That's why Floyd demanded the test because He was more then certain he was on it.

I gotta disagree with you about Floyd and Manny being somewhat the same. Yeah Manny might have been malnourished when he started but at age 25 he was coming into fights at 122 and five years and change later hes fighting With 20% more body mass with out losing speed or quickness. That's never happend in the history of boxing all those things plus more make me think he took the juice or he is just a crazy physical outlier which could be the case

I agree I think most boxers athletes are on something, I don't know why people are throwing -hop under the bus he's one of the few boxers that I believe isnt or never been dirty of course I could be wrong this is all speculation on my part.

[chargerhemi06]

Bhop is just mad that Manny beat in his own words a "slick African American fighter"


Anybody who questions mannys strength in moving up in weight is just stereotyping Asians. Floyd went up in weight at the same rate and he's a midget also.

[Mayabang]

Guess he must've missed this then:



Or this:



And before the KO, he had Marquez hurt and bleeding all over the place.

He's been fighting guys with great chins who have never been KO'ed before. Put him in with an Amir Khan or Paulie Malignaggi and he gets brutal KOs.

What's the deal with Pac turning guys into asians?

[lfc19titles]

Ok maybe evidence was the wrong word maybe inuendo would work better because there hasn't been a smoking gun like a failed test but ......


- Roach admiring he didn't know what Ariza put in his shakes
- Working with Fortune & Ariza
- previous Teddy Atlas Comments
- Refusing to take the test in Floyd fight when purse was 50/50
-Never tested untill after KO from a suspected Ped user.
- Increase of 40 % of his body mass from when he started, with out losing speed
Unheard of no other previous boxer has ever done and will likely ever do again

That's just from the top of my head I'm sure if I though about it I could come up with more.

So sad when people are misguided

Your first three points are rubbish, simple

Pac never refused a test, they disagreed on the days and a few months later Pac actually agreed to Floyd's days only for Floyd to change his terms

Never tested? See again you are misled, 2 weeks before Hatton, a random blood test was done on Pac which everyone knew about

Pac did lose speed at 147 so you are again pulling that one out if your arse. Floyd and pac both started at 106, just that one was an amateur at the time. So it has been done before in boxing

You are a puppet Floyd stan, everything you posted was rubbish and I just made you my *****, adios

In the future don't spread lies kid and do your research. Lol at you saying you could come up with more if you think, please don't if that's your level of logic

You know What is su****ious? 4 Mayweather guys testing positive whilst 0 Pac guys have! Have a think about that. 4 Floyd guys caught taking peds from his gym. We all also know of the cover up made by usada on Floyd testing positive and the drugs he injects into his hands. Again have a think

Adios

[Juof]

Another guilty brotha projecting his guilt on other fighters

Hahahahahahha pascal would not let go of that microphone

[Owlzfan84]

Ok maybe evidence was the wrong word maybe inuendo would work better because there hasn't been a smoking gun like a failed test but ......


- Roach admiring he didn't know what Ariza put in his shakes
- Working with Fortune & Ariza
- previous Teddy Atlas Comments
- Refusing to take the test in Floyd fight when purse was 50/50
-Never tested untill after KO from a suspected Ped user.
- Increase of 40 % of his body mass from when he started, with out losing speed
Unheard of no other previous boxer has ever done and will likely ever do again

That's just from the top of my head I'm sure if I though about it I could come up with more.

Did he really increase his body mass that much though? He weighs like 148 on fight night now in his mid 30's. There are lightweights that weigh more than him on fight night. Even as far back as before the Morales fights he was a welterweight on fight nights.