The Greatness of Wladimir Klitschko

[Suckmedry]

The funniest thing is I bet if you asked Wlad his opinion on this, an off the record, honest one, he would tell you that Ali was a great fighter who would cause problems for any HW. Sure he would probably think he would beat Ali, as a fighter would, but no way would he show him the level of disrespect these idiots do, and I really doubt he would believe boxing has somehow "evolved" in the past 30-40 years.

[Fr3$h]

It'd be senile to bet on Wlad.

But given your fascination for Evola I believe you have your own motives.

I like Evola because (like me) he was very openly anti-American and anti-democracy. I'm rather indifferent to his views on the hierarchy of European genealogy being that I'm Middle Eastern.

I would maybe even wonder that Wladimir has more non-white fans than white fans in the west (west of Germany). Most western whites were raised by hippie-era parents and corporate television. They're very unlikely to cheer for him for the very reason that he is white. In those cultures white people are supposed to be wearing fedora hats, feeding the poor, politely going extinct, etc. Not fighting.

What I do wonder is why people always pick Ali as an example of a heavyweight who would outclass Wladimir. Why? Ali's style was absolutely terrible for Wladimir. Why not Foreman, who would be far more likely to knock him out while Ali harmlessly danced at the end of a much stronger athlete's jab, with Wlad completely ignoring all of his lures?

I agree that Ali has a better resume. I just don't see how he would beat Wladimir in a fight.

[Elroy1]

OneMoreRound, LacedUp...

Regarding your derogatory comments aimed at me.

I'm not the HWBlogger, again, and I don't keep getting banned (atleast from this forum).

I'm trying to be respectful as much as possible, if an old fighter must be exposed then it is what it is.

All you 2 do is crap on modern HW's all the time.

It is in fact your camp that props up Ali's opponents to make Ali seem better, of course!

You have to because without inflating guys like Frazier, Norton, Young, Shavers etc who he struggled badly with, his legend is in jeopardy and you can't have that.

I assess all boxers on their merits only.

[LacedUp]

I like Evola because (like me) he was very openly anti-American and anti-democracy. I'm rather indifferent to his views on the hierarchy of European genealogy being that I'm Middle Eastern.

I would maybe even wonder that Wladimir has more non-white fans than white fans in the west (west of Germany). Most western whites were raised by hippie-era parents and corporate television. They're very unlikely to cheer for him for the very reason that he is white. In those cultures white people are supposed to be wearing fedora hats, feeding the poor, politely going extinct, etc. Not fighting.

What I do wonder is why people always pick Ali as an example of a heavyweight who would outclass Wladimir. Why? Ali's style was absolutely terrible for Wladimir. Why not Foreman, who would be far more likely to knock him out while Ali harmlessly danced at the end of a much stronger athlete's jab, with Wlad completely ignoring all of his lures?

I agree that Ali has a better resume. I just don't see how he would beat Wladimir in a fight.

Lamon Brewster on the other hand....

[Fr3$h]

Lamon Brewster on the other hand....

What are you saying? That Lamon Brewster's style represents Ali, or that Lamon Brewster managed to knock Wladimir down therefore he sucks?

Ali was knocked down multiple times in his career by relative nobodies. I'm not silly enough to use this as evidence that his whole career was a sham yet you insist on doing so with Wladimir.

[LacedUp]

What are you saying? That Lamon Brewster's style represents Ali, or that Lamon Brewster managed to knock Wladimir down therefore he sucks?

Ali was knocked down multiple times in his career by relative nobodies. I'm not silly enough to use this as evidence that his whole career was a sham yet you insist on doing so with Wladimir.

Ali was knocked down 4 times off the top of my head. One was a flash knockdown.

Wlad has been knocked down 12 times. There's no comparison.

I think it's funny that you think Ali couldn't beat Wlad, whilst Lamon Brewster who had zero notable wins could. The same with Ross Purrity and Corrie Sanders.

Wlad wouldn't even touch Ali in his prime, let alone beat him. He'd be made out to look like a sloth exactly the same as the other big punchers Ali faced in the mid 60s.

[Weltschmerz]

I would gladly bet cash on Ali over Wlad.

Neither of them has seen anything like the other before. It would be a highly interesting fight. You guys know absolutely nothing about boxing, I'm confident of that because if you did you would know that skills can overcome size in the HW division. A man as athletically talented as Ali standing 6"3 and weighing 210 with an 80" reach is physically capable of taking any man on. Especially when he has a proven chin and an exceptional boxing brain.

Then why didn't Haye beat Wladimir? LacedUp has claimed in the past that Haye is better than Wladimir, p4p (I know, it's a ******ed claim).

As we know, that didn't happen. Wlad just shut him down. A great big man beats a great smaller man.

[Elroy1]

12 times in 65 fights, that's really good!

Ali was KD'd more often than 4 times wtf?

Christ sake Brewster, Puritty and Sanders were big punchers, Ali was among the weakest punching champs of all time, don't you think THAT plays a role?

There weren't any big punchers in the 60's compared to todays standards.

Hah! Ali got battered from pillar to post in nearly all of his fights and yet you claim WK wouldn't lay a glove on him?

GTFO!

You and your mate are beyond help, your on the payroll. Nobody who watches the fights of Ali can really think he could win.

[Elroy1]

Then why didn't Haye beat Wladimir? LacedUp has claimed in the past that Haye is better than Wladimir, p4p (I know, it's a ******ed claim).

As we know, that didn't happen. Wlad just shut him down. A great big man beats a great smaller man.

Yeah they're trying to claim on the other thread too that we're the crazy ones too. As if our argument has been that size trumps skills.

Of course a smaller fighter can beat a bigger fighter, that's a no ****ing brainer, otherwise there'd be no point to boxing!

The obvious point is that the greater the weight difference, the greater the advantage for the heavier opponent all else aside. Now who the hell would argue that?

But no, lets go change around what has been said to something ******ed.

OneMoreRound and LacedUp are paid to defend this, I am sure of it.

[Weltschmerz]

Would anyone other than the most senile among you actually bet real money on Ali against Wladimir?

Liking him or saying he has a better resume is one thing, saying he would win a fight between the two suggests very low intelligence.

I certainly would bet on Wladimir. They are only defending Ali because they feel they have to at all costs, because he is labeled the forever Greatest of All Times.

But think about it, how lame is that in its essence? It is like saying that no greater fighter can ever exist after Ali, which is of course childish nonsense.