The Greatness of Wladimir Klitschko

[StarshipTrooper]

You actually do post on GaySpeak though, under the poet name, hilarious

Actually I don't. But you can believe whatever you like if that's what gives you your woodies :cool9:

[Weltschmerz]

Actually I don't. But you can believe whatever you like if that's what gives you your woodies :cool9:

But well you do, actually. It's a very quick search to find.

Go find him, folks

[StarshipTrooper]

But well you do, actually. It's a very quick search to find.

Go find him, folks

The only question is which one of you butthurt Klitlickers made those accounts (both in February of this year.....so much for being subtle in his trolling). I have my su****ions as there's only one butthurt Klitlicker with that much time on his hands and that level of obsessive-compulsive mania.

[SlySlickSmooth]

I would tab Wlad to beat/give great fights to the HWs especially 1950 and earlier considering most peaked if not were under 200 pound HWs.

[slimshandy69]

And finally what about a direct look at past champions skills...

George Foreman- could barely even box!
Ron Lyle- displayed no more skills than Foreman
Joe Frazier- came straight forward with a 1 dimensional attack that was at times very sloppy, not very skilled, easy to hit, leads with the face.
Muhammad Ali 60's- fast shots with nothing on them, couldn't sit down on his shots, spent most of the fight running away from trouble, very poor defence which was relieved by the fact he was very fast.
Muhammad Ali 70's- Could not keep an opponent off him, threw pawing shots as usual with nothing on them, had no reflexes left and couldn't avoid a punch if his career depended on it.
Liston- highly uncoordinated slow plodder
Rocky Marciano- plodder
Joe Louis- great skills for his time, rudimentary boxer-puncher, still plodding, couldn't avoid the right.
Joe Walcott- rudimentary defence fighter, couldn't be that good with bum record.

And we get the picture, these are how the "skills" of former HW champs would be viewed today.

i agreee but rocky marciano was amazing.

[Suckmedry]

I would tab Wlad to beat/give great fights to the HWs especially 1950 and earlier considering most peaked if not were under 200 pound HWs.

Of course he would. Head to head Wlad more likely than not is top 10 all time. It's these morons like Weltschmerz and Elroy claiming that he would have annihilated Ali in a couple of rounds, or that wlads opponents like Haye, Peter and povetkin (LOL) would do the same, that's making the Klitschko fans the new laughing stock of this forum.

[Suckmedry]

Ok I posted several pages ago now on this active thread on WHY the skills have improved, now lets look at how.

Please note, neither to my paper, nor anything our colleague BoxingGoat offered on the subject of skills progress, has anything been offered in return except the same question reposted.

You can SEE clearly by the footage of past fights and the footage of modern fights that the past guys fought terribly by comparison. Wild shots, uncoordinated, scrappy dirty infighting. Not the same emphasis on timing and punch quality that there is today.

Anybody who is not intimately involved in boxing who watches can SEE this and report the same things. All this diatripe of things like Liston had the best jab, Louis had the best right hand, Walcott the best defence, is all romantic hogwash when you actually LOOK at it. Same as current boxers, all the rubbish that modern oppoennts can't throw a straight punch and show regressive skills is just that, rubbish too.

How? Because the skills training the past fighters took part in was of a far lower quality than that in modern times.

Take sparring, today coaches coach their fighters with the techniques as described earlier that are more important today, the outside game, body movement, slipping, countering. No doubt coaches of the past did similar too but these days they are far more in tune with how best to organise sparring sessions to work on their weaknesses. They are structured sparring sessions not just mock fights. This is supplemented with a much higher level and volume of mittwork that was not prevalent in the old days.

Even in the 70's some coaches used this valuable tool minimally and ppl are surprised that it's only recently that coaches seen it as among the most valuable tools.

But the OTNB community responds that mitts is not fighting, all this flashy mitt work that modern boxers do doesn't correspond to the ring. BULL****. Mitts wont substitute sparring, nothing does, but it has advantages over sparring in several aspects. It allows the athlete to drill their shots, combinations and defensive manuevers over and over until perfection without the threat of getting hit and can be presented at speeds and angles faster and more varied that an opponent presents. This muscle/mind memory that develops carries over to the sparring practice beautifully with proper coaching and is why todays boxers can throw far more better quality stuff from different angles with great effect. If any are slower than previous boxers it's simply because they are so much heavier.

And think about the advancements of video, today coaches use recorded footage of their fighters and their opponents fights to pinpoint and work on defects in their own performance and in their opponents to exploit and form a gameplan, training plan around that. This simply wasn't available back then.

There are other things too like past boxers wasting their time on speed bag etc which were proved to be of not much value to a boxer except on media day etc.

Sorry but we don't see those methods used in the past.

Wow. You went full ****** a long, long time ago but this is just sad. Whoever is behind this account is not right in the head not only do you know nothing about what your saying, but your agenda is so pointless....why are you so eager to disparage older fighters ? Is wlad your uncle or something?

[LacedUp]

Of course he would. Head to head Wlad more likely than not is top 10 all time. It's these morons like Weltschmerz and Elroy claiming that he would have annihilated Ali in a couple of rounds, or that wlads opponents like Haye, Peter and povetkin (LOL) would do the same, that's making the Klitschko fans the new laughing stock of this forum.

Not new laughing stocks. They've always been that way.
They don't seem to realize that most guys think Wlad and more so Vitali could hang in any era - but when they try and say Pianeta would be the best fighter on Ali's resume....

I mean, that guy HWBlogger/Elroy1 is just the biggest idiot in this forum's history. He keeps getting banned, but comes back with a new alt and you can smell it from miles away. I saw his first post about David Haye and immediately knew it was nothing but a post to build up Wlad - the guy is pathetic. He tries to be real subtle to begin with saying stuff like "David Haye was a very good fighter, he lost to Wlad yes, which everyone would have".... that kind of stuff.

But after telling him how crap he is a couple of times, because you want to get the beast out right?, then he just turns full on ****** - the usual of his original account.

Telling us how Mormeck would beat Foreman, Pianeta would beat Ali, Povetkin is better than Liston. these sort of things.

[Suckmedry]

Your inferiority complex just keeps you going back to that thread no? I know you have nightmares about Weltschmerz every night by now. Can you imagine if I actually trained 6 weeks and we made the same contest. You would immediately shut down your station in sheer horror when seeing my picture.

you are a fcking joke I have seldom seen someone embarrass themselves this much on boxingscene, which is saying ALOT

[Fr3$h]

Would anyone other than the most senile among you actually bet real money on Ali against Wladimir?

Liking him or saying he has a better resume is one thing, saying he would win a fight between the two suggests very low intelligence.