The Greatness of Wladimir Klitschko

[VG_Addict]

Don't fool yourself... Lennox does lose many more rds vs Klitschko opposition.

He went the distance plenty of times vs shet opposition & got a few gift decisions vs Holyfield & Mercer. He also did not have the Klitschko jab to dominate rds... yes he beats all of them but with less rds won.. getting the same stoppage rate is debateable.

What? Did you even watch the fights? If anything, Holyfield was the one who got the gift decisions.

[Boxing Goat]

What? Did you even watch the fights? If anything, Holyfield was the one who got the gift decisions.

Holyfield got a gift draw, not a win. For the record anyways.

[lewishamboy]

Haye's chin failed him against Mormeck? You mean when he was briefly KD'd?

You didn't think it failed him more when he was legitimately TKO'd against Thompson?

The mormeck KD was a legitimate chin check. If you rewatch the Thompson fight you might notice it wasn't Haye's chin that was the problem... it was poor conditioning and over confidence

Holyfield got a gift draw, not a win. For the record anyways.

Is a draw not a decision then?

The mormeck KD was a legitimate chin check. If you rewatch the Thompson fight you might notice it wasn't Haye's chin that was the problem... it was poor conditioning and over confidence

What about Mock?

[lewishamboy]

Yep... thing is Corrie Sanders trusted his speed & power & he had the southpaw stance. He almost .. well he did get to Vitali several times... Vitali could take the shots & make the adjustment... Wlad couldn't

People here all sleep on Corrie... but there's a reason he's the ONLY one to really sleigh a Klitschko & that was his RARE combination of speed & power coming from the southpaw stance. Haye was scared shetless to get hit & therefore only lunged at Klitschko for the most part & played defense almost exclusively the entire bout.

Yeh Sanders was no joke. KBRO out of interest do u believe that Wlad was drugged for the Brewster fight? Do u not think prime Brewster had the attributes to beat that version of Wlad?

[lewishamboy]

What about Mock?

We're saying the same thing...Haye has a shaky jaw... hence his overly defensive strategy vs Wlad. If he'd had the stones to trade with Wlad we may have seen some shattered glass. I'd actually forgotten about that KD. Great recovery from Haye

[Suckmedry]

No matter what Wladimir Klitschko does, there will always be people who believe he's no good.

He has three losses. But the #1 HW of all time, Muhammed Ali, has five losses.

Some of Wlad's opponents were not very good. But Ali, besides fighting good opposition, fought a lot of journeymen like Richard Dunn who were no better than Wlad's worst title defenses. He was knocked down by Chuck Wepner. He lost to a 6-0 Leon Spinks, who was KOed by Gerrie Coatzee in round one. Yet he's supposed to be the best HW of all time.

Jack Johnson has 11 losses, Max Schmeling has 10 (some to worse opponents than Wlad lost to, such as 47-loss Daniels and 37-39 Taylor). Walcott has 18 losses, Charles has 25. Yet some people cannot forgive Wlad's three losses, despite the excellent run he's had since then.

If Wladimir Klitschko were to somehow go back in time and beat prime Dempsey, prime Louis, prime Ali and prime Holmes, some people would still not respect him. Instead, they'd start ridiculing the fighters he beat and call them bums.

A hundred years ago some people refused to accept Jack Johnson as HW champion and just said said the division was no good at that time, because Johnson was black. Similarly, there are some people who refuse to believe that Wladimir Klitschko is a top ten ATG heavyweight because they feel the HW champ should be American and black.

It is futile to try and debate those who hate Wladimir. They will never change.

Aaaaaand the king of the ******s has spoken !!

[Dr.Eisenfaust]

Couldn't agree more...

[Long jabber]

No matter what Wladimir Klitschko does, there will always be people who believe he's no good.

He has three losses. But the #1 HW of all time, Muhammed Ali, has five losses.

Some of Wlad's opponents were not very good. But Ali, besides fighting good opposition, fought a lot of journeymen like Richard Dunn who were no better than Wlad's worst title defenses. He was knocked down by Chuck Wepner. He lost to a 6-0 Leon Spinks, who was KOed by Gerrie Coatzee in round one. Yet he's supposed to be the best HW of all time.

Jack Johnson has 11 losses, Max Schmeling has 10 (some to worse opponents than Wlad lost to, such as 47-loss Daniels and 37-39 Taylor). Walcott has 18 losses, Charles has 25. Yet some people cannot forgive Wlad's three losses, despite the excellent run he's had since then.

If Wladimir Klitschko were to somehow go back in time and beat prime Dempsey, prime Louis, prime Ali and prime Holmes, some people would still not respect him. Instead, they'd start ridiculing the fighters he beat and call them bums.

A hundred years ago some people refused to accept Jack Johnson as HW champion and just said said the division was no good at that time, because Johnson was black. Similarly, there are some people who refuse to believe that Wladimir Klitschko is a top ten ATG heavyweight because they feel the HW champ should be American and black.

It is futile to try and debate those who hate Wladimir. It's like trying to convince a KKK member in 1910 to respect Jack Johnson. They will never change.

how can you compare losses to great fighters and at the end of the careers to losses in your prime to sub par competition?

do you do this on purpose?