I can't wait for Porter and Thurman to step up...

[Doctor_Tenma]

They are both proven and legitimate top 10 contenders. You don't need to be on the pound for pound list or beat a fighter on the pound for pound list to be considered proven.

You prove yourself by beating other ranked contenders and both Thurman and Porter have done that.

No, definitely not. Like I said Porter hasn't had to second guess himself in his last two outings because neither Alexander or Malignaggi can fight on the inside, punch or counter well enough to gain his respect. Thurman at the very least has shown that he can do two of those things, and while Thurman has shown a pretty good mid to long range game, he hasn't faced anyone with Porter's foot speed who will get inside and have the physical strength to maybe keep him there. How is any of this hard to understand for some of you?

[-PBP-]

No, definitely not. Like I said Porter hasn't had to second guess himself in his last two outings because neither Alexander or Malignaggi can fight on the inside, punch or counter well enough to gain his respect. Thurman at the very least has shown that he can do two of those things, and while Thurman has shown a pretty good mid to long range game, he hasn't faced anyone with Porter's foot speed who will get inside and have the physical strength to maybe keep him there. How is any of this hard to understand for some of you?

There are fighters in their mid 30's on the pound for pound list that haven't faced every style at the elite level.

[IronDanHamza]

They are both proven and legitimate top 10 contenders. You don't need to be on the pound for pound list or beat a fighter on the pound for pound list to be considered proven.

You prove yourself by beating other ranked contenders and both Thurman and Porter have done that.

Who's Thurman beat in the Top 10?

That's a genuine question.

[IronDanHamza]

No, definitely not. Like I said Porter hasn't had to second guess himself in his last two outings because neither Alexander or Malignaggi can fight on the inside, punch or counter well enough to gain his respect. Thurman at the very least has shown that he can do two of those things, and while Thurman has shown a pretty good mid to long range game, he hasn't faced anyone with Porter's foot speed who will get inside and have the physical strength to maybe keep him there. How is any of this hard to understand for some of you?

How has Thurman shown he can do that?

Who's Thurman proved himself against?

[-PBP-]

Who's Thurman beat in the Top 10?

That's a genuine question.

Jan Zaveck.

[Doctor_Tenma]

There are fighters in their mid 30's on the pound for pound list that haven't faced every style at the elite level.

This is the thing, pertaining to Porter-Thurman, the parts of their game that are unanswered are vital in how they would fare against the elite, extremely vital and only the two of them facing one another can answer those questions. Till then both of them are unproven as far as I'm concerned.

By the way I gave Porter a very good chance at beating Alexander.

[-PBP-]

This is the thing, pertaining to Porter-Thurman, the parts of their game that are unanswered are vital in how they would fare against the elite, extremely vital and only the two of them facing one another can answer those questions. Till then both of them are unproven as far as I'm concerned.

By the way I gave Porter a very good chance at beating Alexander.

There are 3 elite fighters at 147 right now. Proven doesn't mean "I think he can beat Floyd Mayweather or Manny Pacquiao". Proven is beating contenders and working your way into the top 10.

[Doctor_Tenma]

There are 3 elite fighters at 147 right now. Proven doesn't mean "I think he can beat Floyd Mayweather or Manny Pacquiao". Proven is beating contenders and working your way into the top 10.

I'm speaking from a technical stand point, neither of them are proven for me.

[IronDanHamza]

Jan Zaveck.

Yeah I suppose that was a decent win.

[bojangles1987]

Yeah I suppose that was a decent win.

Kind of sad that Berto was the 3rd best welterweight at one point but was fighting dead-even with Zaveck before the awful TKO ruling. The division has improved a lot since then.