Had Calzaghe not ducked America

[Larry the boss]

The location thing is funny too. The fact is the place where Joe Calzaghe could make the most money was Wales/The UK. It's the same with guys like Burns and Frampton now. Fighters don't leave their country often because that's where the money is. DUH.

If Calzaghe was offered more money to come to the US to fight, he would have. He accepted a fight with Hopkins in 2002 only for Bernard to double his demands and price himself out at the 11th hour.

true Hopkins did pass on the fight in 2002

[Build That Wall]

calzaghe-hopkins could have happened but hopkins demanded more money

Calzaghe vs Hopkins did happen.

[jas]

calzaghe didnt duck anybody in his career but he is in same boat as wlad. rank high in ability but they dont have resume to be considered a true atg

[jas]

Calzaghe vs Hopkins did happen.

i edited post to clarify

[IronDanHamza]

and i remember before the Lacy fight people saying Lacy would ko Joe and beat him easily..then after the fight all the sudden he is a hype job cause he got his career beat out of him

Lacy was a hype job though.

He's basically the absolute epitome of what a hype job is.

[freethinkersam]

Do Cazaghe fans seriously believe Hopkins ducked him yet chose to fight him at 43 years of age? Hopkins has boxed everyone - his CV s**ts on Calzaghe's.

Calzaghe is slightly better than Ottke. But not by much. I think Reid did enough to get a draw against him, and Hopkins just made him look like a total amateur.

He didn't beat a prime HOFer in his entire career.

[jas]

Do Cazaghe fans seriously believe Hopkins ducked him yet chose to fight him at 43 years of age? Hopkins has boxed everyone - his CV s**ts on Calzaghe's.

Calzaghe is slightly better than Ottke. But not by much. I think Reid did enough to get a draw against him, and Hopkins just made him look like a total amateur.

He didn't beat a prime HOFer in his entire career.

i wouldnt call it a duck, hopkins wanted to get 20 defences. anyone who calls it a duck doesnt know bhop.

and you are right. calzaghe did not beat a hall of famer that was within 5 years of their prime in his entire career.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Do Cazaghe fans seriously believe Hopkins ducked him yet chose to fight him at 43 years of age? Hopkins has boxed everyone - his CV s**ts on Calzaghe's.

There's nothing to "believe", it's what happened. He fought him at 43 because he ran out of welterweights to fight and he had nowhere else to go.

That was the first time Hopkins publicly called out Calzaghe - and the fight got made. Jones called out Calzaghe in the post fight - and the fight got made. Those two were only interested when they got old and needed the payday.

[cupocity303]

All this "B-hop wanted more money" is gobbledygook.

When Roy Jones and Hopkins negotiated to fight each other, someone wanting more money is a story. They're on an even playing field and Hopkins probably should've taken the 60/40 considering that no matter how much he redeemed himself by unifying the 160 division, RJJ still had a win over him and was a Undisputed Light-heavyweight Champ himself. 60/40 was fair and Hopkins was to blame for the fight not happening.


As far as Hopkins Vs Joe, Hopkins vs RJJ - It's all on Joe and his lack of urgency. The fact that I don't remember him aggressively calling out Hopkins or Jones during his post-fight interviews on showtime (and I've seen plenty of Joe fights against B-level WBO appointed Mandatories) tells you everything. He was being as passive aggressive towards Hopkins/Jones as Pacquiao is towards Mayweather, even though he wasn't nearly of the status that Manny was prior to the two losses.

[LA_2_Vegas]

There was a time when Bhop was playing serious hardball with the networks, there's a reason why he came out to that Sinatra song. It's probably a lot more complicated than you're making it sound. I vaguely remember showtime carrying a fight of Joe's when he was prime and there was discussions of that fight. It seemed there was an attempt to build up a big fight involving calzaghe