Boxing Has Evolved, Fighters Are Better Today

[Juof]

Troll, I believe the fighters of today are better than the fighters of the 40s down but as they're technique improved through the 50s n 60s I'd imagine the top fighters of then could hang with the top fighters with today and most likely destroy them. There's a top fighter from every era that would destroy legends from eras. Like I personally believe wladimir *****ko would be too big for Dempsey. Though I also think joe louis would smash the likes of mike Tyson. There's greatness in all eras head to head we'll never know who would of beaten who. Also back then there was a lot more part timers so it would make the skill level seem low but there was also a lot more talent than there is now

[bklynboy]

Thanks for the red K! It's very nice that you care.

How do you feel about the amazing advances in technical skills and teaching? How would LHWs of the past, like Spinks, Gregory, and Qawi, deal with today's brilliance? How could they compete with the mix of athleticism, skills, intelligence and punch variety of a Jean Pascal. How could they deal with a genetic alien like b-hop, a true marvel and product of the vast improvements in training and stamina?

How could a sloppy arm-punching speedster like Meldrick Taylor with someone like Khan, who possesses a wonderful marriage of speed and skills? The techniques and secrets have been passed down through generations, and we see it in the amazing balance, punch mechanics, subtle defensive manuevers and brilliant footwork whenever Khan fights. Khan has the edge in 20 years of evolution in boxing, two decades of continuing strides in skills and nutrtion

Slow plodders like Hagler and Monzon couldn't deal with the super athleticism of Sergio Martinez, who has mastered all the punches and proper defensive moves, and simply likes to toy with opponents by keeping his hands down, knowing full well the mastery of defense.

Serg also intentionally gets hit with his hands down to mentally break his opponents by showing his balboa-like chin, and to prove to the biased nostalgia old timers that he is a "real fighter". People are so stuck in the past that they assume a fighter must be ugly to be good, but Sergio has gotten bloody a couple of times just to show that along with his unparalled athleticism, complete mastery of all the technical skills, that he is more than just a handsome bicycle rider

you're funny.

[Ragnar Lothbrok]

athletes today are better in general compared to athletes from the 60s.

that is pretty basic common knowledge only some people like old people love to over hype past athletes in order to glorify and preserve their history.

time, knowledge, and science have proven it already.

Olympic 100m times are dropping, getting faster, not slower. Athletes are bigger and stronger nowadays compared to back then.

nfl player's measurements by position indicate that compared to the early years of the nfl.

those that still argue that athletes of the early 60s and back are just as good as athletes of today are DISHONEST, IGNORANT, MORONS.

Babe Ruth's fat ass wouldnt crack triple a if he played today.

[Richard Wadd]

Maybe Rakhim Chakhkeiv, but fighters today are more refined and skilled and can box better.

Its that too much "cute" matchmaking has ruined it.

Simply not true.

do you not see the vast improvements in technical skills and how refined boxers are?

the amazing footwork, fluidity, defense, technical skills of the mighty King Khan?

The defensive skills and manuevers of a one Sergio Martinez? A 40 year old at that! His ability to put together a wide variety of combos with amazing angles?

The large number of fighters today who have mastered the art of not only cutting off the ring, but especially on how to properly fight on the inside?

Evolution baby!

[Fr3$h]

Fighters have gotten better and better with each generation. Everyone knows this but I've seen people desperately deny it for two reasons:

1. Roleplaying as the "Oracle of Boxing Knowledge":

Fedora-wearers believe it makes them seem esoteric and intelligent to tell us that Cornelius "Wonkers" McClavel, the 1836 bareknuckle carnival champion, would mow through today's fighters based on a cavepainting. That actually works on teenagers who are easily mystified by the "sweet science", but I think anyone with a fully developed brain just kind of rolls their eyes.

2. Pretending the "American Champion" = the "World Champion":

People have entire GOAT lists consisting of a few years when poor American blacks wailed on unathletic white journeymen to become "American Champion". Once boxing went international and even poorer people from Latin America and Eastern Europe started cleaning out entire divisions, these losers declare that the "talent level has descended to tragic lows". Sorry, but those "golden age" '60s and '70s fighters padded their records with bums and weighed barely 200 lbs at heavyweight. I'm not a white American so I'm allowed to point this out without being paddled on the ass by my hippie parents for racism.

[Fr3$h]

When pseudo-intellectual "sweet science" historians into cavepaintings and damaged 1920s photo reels aren't wearing their fedoras, you can still identify them by how they suddenly start talking in a "gritty" New York accent even though they're from Oregon.

And probably an avatar like this:



holy **** man you're so historical

[BennyST]

fighters of the past can't hang with today. it's evolution baby!

Fighters before can't compete with the great technical skills of today, brought upon by the continous growth of great teaching handed down through generations of the squared circle.

We see not only a continued improvement in stamina, but in subtle skills like in-fighting and ring cutting.

A lumbering slow-poke plodder like JCC or a wild brawler like Duran could not compete with the technical genius and marvelous footwork of someone like Amir Khan. A midget like qawi couldn't compete with the marvelous physical and technical skills of a Jean Pascal

Look at this improvement! You guys are just nostalgic, xenaphobic, and biased!




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Not bad. A decent effort. Sadly, while you are taking the piss, there are a lot of guys out there that truly believe what you wrote.

The skill disparity across those divisions you compared is staggeringly one sided in favour of the old gen. Today's divisions are top heavy, then nothing. After the champion, and maybe one or two good paper champions/contenders (if we're lucky), it just drops off to complete ****e. Atrocious excuses for world level elite pro athlete fighters.

[Grimgash]

Even though it's a joke thread nostalgia always wins out. It's impossible to actually guage the fighters in diff eras. It's all eye tests and those recently rarely pan out. The problem comes in where oh look at these greats, but maybe they were evenly matched and all about the same level. To put them on par with a diff era is hard and just guessing.

Not saying that the new is better just a viewpoint on it. It's like football like this team from the 60s would be the seahawks from 2013....how do you know? You just guess...it's all it is so no one can really be wrong.

[BennyST]

Evolution takes millions of years and has never been observed

Yes, it does and yes, it has.

[bojangles1987]

Not bad. A decent effort. Sadly, while you are taking the piss, there are a lot of guys out there that truly believe what you wrote.

The skill disparity across those divisions you compared is staggeringly one sided in favour of the old gen. Today's divisions are top heavy, then nothing. After the champion, and maybe one or two good paper champions/contenders (if we're lucky), it just drops off to complete ****e. Atrocious excuses for world level elite pro athlete fighters.

It's the people who actually believe the troll threads about this that sadden me, not the original post itself.

And to those people I ask this; if the new school is so much better than the old, than why are the best fighters in the world almost all in their mid to late 30s, with one 50 year old man-let me repeat that, a 50 year old man-still among the top 3 in his division? Shouldn't all these evolved, better fighters have kicked these old farts out of the sport by now?