Mayweather Catch Weight vs Canelo Is A Criminally Underrated ***** Move

[Richard Wadd]

when do you think a catchweight has actually affected the outcome in a title fight?

i don't see any of these fights being different at 147, 154, 160

Whitaker-chavez
pac-cotto
mayweather-canelo
norris-taylor
hopkins-de la hoya


Maybe Lalonde going down a whole division to 168? ray was unquestionaly better, even in 1988, but smaller. hearns really won the rematch with ray, fought at 164. Would he have won more convinicngly at 168?

[JDD1]

Because you can use Floyd's own words against him on this one and Floyd fans can't defend Floyd on it .... even though many still do.


1) "It's Canelo's managements fault for agreeing not Floyd's"
Response: Well, Canelo knew what happened to Manny Pacquiao when they didn't agree with Floyd's terms. Due to Floyd's history, they felt like they had no choice

2) "Canelo's team brought it up and you can check it out on BoxingScene"Response:
a) Boxingscene article was from 2011 or somewhere about that time. Canelo was like 19-20 years old.

b) Again, going by Floyd's response to similar demands/requests, you can take away certain agreements that were made during negotiations whenever you feel like it so why can't Canelo's team? Why can't Floyd understand this if he does it?
Example: Floyd agreed to 14 days cutoff on testing with Manny. Soon after, Floyd came back and said "no cutoff dates"
Example 2: 50/50 split in revenue was OK then wasn't
Example 3: Floyd could negotiate a fight with Arum as Manny's promoter, now he can't.
Example 4: "Manny you are Next ... then Manny is not next"

3) "Unlike other fighters, I make my opponents come in comfortable .... I consider Cotto undefeated" - Floyd Mayweather


Finally, how can 2 fighters who both hold a belt at 154, fight at a CW?

its been done before. see my other post. odh bhop at 157 and sweet pea/chavez sr.

[ADP02]

Seemed silly since, like Pacquiao-Cotto, it didn't have any bearing on the fight. And like Pacquiao-Cotto, it'll be an afterthought when people look at that fight.

Sure, Floyd fans felt like this even way before Floyd did it to Canelo.

Go ask Floyd fans like RELOADED, who used to have it SIGed (CW KING Manny). Where is he now?

[Bigg Rigg]

ODh and Bhop fought a unification bout at 157. Sweet pea and chavez fought a unification fight at 145( i think).

I'm not saying Floyd was the first to ever do it. It still doesn't mean it's ok to do it either. Especially when he bashed Pacquiao for doing the same ****. Lol

[Richard Wadd]

hopkins-dlh was a unification bout, not whitaker-chavez.

leonard-hearns 2 was another unification bout at a catchweight

[boliodogs]

Canelo had said years before the negotiations for this fight when he was trying earlier to fight Floyd that he would make 150 pounds. At no time in the talks for the fight that happened did he ever say he would go below 154. That was 100% Team Mayweather's idea. Mayweather was trying to weaken Canelo who was a full sized 154 pounder. He did not bother with a catchweight for Cotto because Cotto was not a full 154 pounder and having Cotto come in a few pounds below 154 would probably help Cotto and it sure would not hurt him. I don't think of Mayweather as the lineal 154 pound champ because he never beat a 154 pounder to win it.

[JDD1]

I'm not saying Floyd was the first to ever do it. It still doesn't mean it's ok to do it either. Especially when he bashed Pacquiao for doing the same ****. Lol

Yeah, he tried to hype the fight by saying he thought cotto was undefeated b/c of the CW and Margs plaster. He also said he wants his opponents comfortable. Floyd is a hypocrite for sure.

But when ODH and Chavez Sr., not to mention other names other posters listed, have done this, its kind of hard to criticize floyd that much for unifying the tite at a CW.

[Sosay]

I dont have a problem with catch weights, don't sign the contract. Yeah Floyd was hypocritical but so are most of you guys. You can't complain about one but not the other. Either you guys dont like catch weights or it doesn't matter. I can see if you were just pointing out that he's a hypocrite but you guys act like that's why Canelo lost.
Sooo, does Pac and Floyd get credit or not for the cw? You can't praise one and dismiss the other.

[Holywarrior]

****** move by Team Alvarez to put 150 out there then settle at 152. Was definitely a buzzkill. Catchweight for all the marbles? Meh.

[ADP02]

its been done before. see my other post. odh bhop at 157 and sweet pea/chavez sr.

never said it had never been done before but I doubt what Floyd has done, if that has ever been done before. Floyd has fought there 3 times and fought for the title 3 times and his opponent had a 154 title as well. Let me know who else has done that?


To clarify:

1) Neither one that you mentioned had been going on their 3rd fight with a title (both fighters)

2) You are mistaken with Sweet Pea/Chavez Sr

3) Oscar struggled at his only fight there and people thought that he had lost.

4) Floyd was considered the heavy favorite and the only advantage that Canelo had (size), Floyd used it against Canelo. So Canelo struggled throughout the training camp.