Which fighters do you suspect of juicing past or present?

[BrokenHat]

Sergio Martinez and JMM are obvious offenders.

Tim Bradley.

[DeadLikeMe]

Pacquiao (EPO, HGH), Martinez (EPO, HGH, possible TRT), Mayweather (TRT), Hopkins (TRT), Morales (dumbass anabolic ****), Wlad (HGH, EPO, possible TRT), Donaire (HGH, EPO), all the guys who have been caught obviously. Probably 90% of the top guys are outright cheating or circumventing the rules in some way. The manufacturers are at least a decade ahead of the testers. If you're getting popped, you're obviously not using the newest available stuff.

[mrjax]

when people say this their credibility on knowing about the sport just goes down the ****ter because it proves they really dont know sht about boxing

i'd find it hard to believe that you did if you dont know the mechanics of generating force, you know what power is? speed x strength = power, a bulked out guy doesn't equal power because although their strength may be high, where is the snap to transfer force?

Well said, but a bit misleading. It is not strength, but force, and those two things are not interchangeable. To illustrate the point, a pebble hitting you at 50mph has much less power than a car at 50mph. One of the key determination of how hard a punch is thrown is the leverage or weight behind it, hence the difference between a fast jab and a solid power punch.
You original assertion is correct though, that with all things being equal, steroids will increase muscle and strength and allow for someone to punch harder. In other words, a punch by a person with a lot of muscle will hit harder than the same punch by the same person with less muscle.

[SplitSecond]

Pacquiao (EPO, HGH), Martinez (EPO, HGH, possible TRT), Mayweather (TRT), Hopkins (TRT), Morales (dumbass anabolic ****), Wlad (HGH, EPO, possible TRT), Donaire (HGH, EPO), all the guys who have been caught obviously. Probably 90% of the top guys are outright cheating or circumventing the rules in some way. The manufacturers are at least a decade ahead of the testers. If you're getting popped, you're obviously not using the newest available stuff.

donaire is the only boxer that i have to respectfully exempt from su****ion, only boxer who tests year round

are you just trying to be a twat by hating on him?

[mrjax]

Secondly regarding Matthysse and Marquez gaining additional punching power from doping... I am getting pretty tired of guys ignorant of the physical gains that Roids give you! Steroids do not give you additional punching power, fact!

The question is does steroids improve punch power not the definition of force which you gave!

The question for you is, what do steroids do, if not improve your punching power? Not PEDS, but steroids.

[takingaim]

That gut looks so healthy...

[Derranged]

Floyd isn't the only black athlete in the sport, jack. You bringing him up when I didn't shows how big of a d1ck riding fanboy you are. Smh

The guy is such an obvious troll/fake account, why are you arguing with him?

EDIT: If he's not trolling and is serious then there's still no point in arguing with him because he's fucking ******.

[BennyST]

Nearly all of them. Boxing doesn't even test for roids in standard pee tests etc. it's easy to get away with, and with all the money involved, and everyone else doing it, it's become standard.

Even the guys people least suspect are most likely on it. It's just a standard, common, every day part of sports now at the top level. People are utterly naive if they think it's not prevalent and wide spread throughout the entire sport.

It's standard practice in every single other high money, elite level sport. Why not boxing?

[SplitSecond]

Well said, but a bit misleading. It is not strength, but force, and those two things are not interchangeable. To illustrate the point, a pebble hitting you at 50mph has much less power than a car at 50mph. One of the key determination of how hard a punch is thrown is the leverage or weight behind it, hence the difference between a fast jab and a solid power punch.
You original assertion is correct though, that with all things being equal, steroids will increase muscle and strength and allow for someone to punch harder. In other words, a punch by a person with a lot of muscle will hit harder than the same punch by the same person with less muscle.

are you comparing an innamate object to the human body that requires tension and form?

tension, strength = weight(besides the weight from your mass already)

obviously you're entire body, along with the torque on your back hand is more powerful than a straight that you can't put much torque and body behind

you can be skinny and punch very hard, wanna know how? by being very ****ing strong, that the tension in your muscles are so strong your arm might aswell be a bloody baseball bat when it's extended(possibly exaggerating, so you get my point), but alot of people can't summon up that amount of strenght in that short a period(the period it requires a punch to quickly snap a penetrating force, from your legs to your opponent), that's where training to be as snappy as *** comes into play, along with form, you dont need mass to hit hard enough to be a ko artist, we aren't trying to punch through walls, and on the human body mass usually just gives you more work to be done to have functional strenght, more mass, more fibers, more fibers, more sht you have to learn to access, and now with your new found mass you're gonna have to somehow shoot out even more signals to launch your fists at the same speed and using all your fibers which is gonna take a dent out of your stamina

with more mass there is more potential, but our CNS can only send out so much

this is where functional strength comes in, marquez built alot of dense, tight muscles, all easily accessable, the cut on his speed is that his CNS has alot more ground to cover now, but the pay off is alot more power

[BennyST]

donaire is the only boxer that i have to respectfully exempt from su****ion, only boxer who tests year round

are you just trying to be a twat by hating on him?

Yet you'll probably accuse Marquez (or if not you, all the other knobs) because of his strength coach having previously talked about there being undetectable peds in the Olympics before he got busted? Well, the biggest roid guy was Donaires coach and no one was able to detect his stuff. Funny coincidence that.

Actually it's hilarious that people pick up on Marquez because of stuff Heredia said as an Olympic SC coach being busted, yet these same guys will deliberately ignore Donaire, Ward, Rios, Pacquiao....the list goes on, even though their SC coaches all have major ties to exactly the same stuff as Heredia has had and in many cases, Donaire and Ward in particular, also use a guy that had boasted of having the most sophisticated, undetectable peds in the world and being the biggest, most elite supplier of them. Ahhhh, the NSB double standards.