Which fighters do you suspect of juicing past or present?

[DoubleMM]

That gut looks so healthy...

this is such a myth. "roid gut" is from IGF abuse aka INSULIN.

[SplitSecond]

Yet you'll probably accuse Marquez (or if not you, all the other knobs) because of his strength coach having previously talked about there being undetectable peds in the Olympics before he got busted? Well, the biggest roid guy was Donaires coach and no one was able to detect his stuff. Funny coincidence that.

Actually it's hilarious that people pick up on Marquez because of stuff Heredia said as an Olympic SC coach being busted, yet these same guys will deliberately ignore Donaire, Ward, Rios, Pacquiao....the list goes on, even though their SC coaches all have major ties to exactly the same stuff as Heredia has had and in many cases, Donaire and Ward in particular, also use a guy that had boasted of having the most sophisticated, undetectable peds in the world and being the biggest, most elite supplier of them. Ahhhh, the NSB double standards.

oh god, i only read your first sentence, all that's needed, if you think marquez wasn't/isn't on steroids i dont care, stay being ignorant and live up to your agenda

idiots like you will always play this ****** card "oh, you dont think he's on steroids, but his trainer/coach is also a convicted roid supplier blah blah"

no one here is assuming marquez is on steroids simply because of his trainer/s&c coach, or just simply the transformation of his physique, or the clear ridiculous strenght or the hgh gut

it's the fact that it's all this sht together

cool, donaire worked with conte, he ko'd some guys, left conte, still ko'ing guys, so not much su****ion now, he's not 40, so su****ion lessen even more, he's not shredded so again, not too many reasons right? oh and he does YEAR ROUND TESTING, "YEAR", "ROUND"

only boxer that i know of that does it

[SplitSecond]

this is such a myth. "roid gut" is from IGF abuse aka INSULIN.

hgh causes water retention, you're organs become fuller, and you get that marquez belly

so yes, "hgh gut" exists, but it's temporary, and what better place to use hgh than in training?

[mrjax]

are you comparing an innamate object to the human body that requires tension and form?

I am comparing Newtons 2nd law to his 2nd law. F=ma or Force is mass times acceleration.

obviously you're entire body, along with the torque on your back hand is more powerful than a straight that you can't put much torque and body behind

I believe that you and I are saying the same thing, but I took out the word Strength and replaced it with Force. A leveraged punch is harder than a non-leveraged punch. A punch with weight behind it is harder than a punch without weight behind it. Being skinny and punching hard is not the same as being heavy and punching hard, that is why there are weight classes.
So to tie it all in with the original point, you are correct that more muscle will enable someone to punch harder, but a person with more muscle will not necessarily punch harder than someone with less muscle and power punching form.

[BennyST]

The question for you is, what do steroids do, if not improve your punching power? Not PEDS, but steroids.

They simply allow you to train longer with better recovery time. So you can do more reps, which will increase technique, speed, maybe a little power, but not much as power is very individual. It'll increase whatever your natural abilities are, but it'll largely help with explosive speed and bursts. Doesn't necessarily equate to extra power though.

Power is one of the things it won't effect or help as much as other stuff. It's going to help more with explosive speed, stamina, combination punching, etc. that will help power a little bit, but unless you have power in the first place it really won't do much to help. That's not really how they work.

It's an interesting observation though, to see the massive increase of guys with explosive speed and combination punching these days, the Berto/Gamboa types, in comparison to previous decades and eras. They aren't better fighters at all, and in fact are often a lot worse because they rely on different things, but it's interesting how that's the path things seem to be going down. It's due to steroids.

If you look back at previous eras before roids, and the really fast guys, then compare them to some of the dudes around now, it's speed that looks very, very unnatural and is clearly, undoubtedly the result of steroid use. Daft to think otherwise. We are not evolving over a couple of decades, but the drugs are.

Two classic cases, Mosley and Jones. Obvious as all ****.

[SplitSecond]

I am comparing Newtons 2nd law to his 2nd law. F=ma or Force is mass times acceleration.



I believe that you and I are saying the same thing, but I took out the word Strength and replaced it with Force. A leveraged punch is harder than a non-leveraged punch. A punch with weight behind it is harder than a punch without weight behind it. Being skinny and punching hard is not the same as being heavy and punching hard, that is why there are weight classes.
So to tie it all in with the original point, you are correct that more muscle will enable someone to punch harder, but a person with more muscle will not necessarily punch harder than someone with less muscle and power punching form.

i apologize for not getting you before

[gasolina92]

this is such a myth. "roid gut" is from IGF abuse aka INSULIN.

dude igf and insulin are 2 totally separate things. insulin is the strongest hormone out more powerful than test and 1 of the riskest but does not cause the gut. igf on the other hand is a peptide that some find to be stronger than hgh and you can use a moderate dose non stop and have no severe side effects. but yes you can get enlargment of the intestines from igf abuse.

[DoubleMM]

hgh causes water retention, you're organs become fuller, and you get that marquez belly

so yes, "hgh gut" exists, but it's temporary, and what better place to use hgh than in training?

its not hgh its insulin that causes the gut

but people who use HGH also use insulin...

HGH + slin = ultimate muscle stack.

[jimboinbigd]

Pac, Marquez, Klit brothers, Bhop,

[Luilun]

Pac, Marquez, Klit brothers, Bhop,

You forgot Mayweather