Keith Thurman v Julio Diaz on April 24th

[sbbigmike]

go review duran and srl's resume and tell me if you know the names of the 1st 25 people each of them fought. My guess is you will know floyd sr and no one else. Zaveck and Soto Karass are about the same level of fighter SRL was fighting.

ODH is the exception, not the rule. His 1st 25 fights a FAR superior to SRL's.

Are you slow they were fighting like every other month back then, not lingering around 2-3 years calling out everyone in their mother, yet is fighting jack shyt

[The Big Dunn]

Of course I always prefer boxing, but I don't want to watch an entire card filled with mismatches.
That's evidently what GBP and Showtime has been pulling too.
Also, I'd rather see them save their money in their budget for good fights and not throwing out mismatches here and there just to fill in air waves.

I think these mismmatches are designed to make Figueroa and Thurman look good.

What you have to do, respectfully, is stop thinking like a die hard and think like a promoter who is trying to attract mainstream fans.

For us, the cards do not satisfy what we want. But the casual fan will likely eat this up. Hopefully, it leads to better fights this year. But the promoter has to grow the fighters base and this is one way to do it.

Your points are fair as a die hard fan. I just remind you and others that great fighters are built, not dropped into our laps as wholly created finisshed products.

[MONGOOSE66]

Thurman ain't no joke. I believe he could give any of the top 5 fits, that's why you don't see any of them wanting him. I still believe he needs a little seasoning. People forget the boxing game is majority a mental game. You don't want to ruin this young kid. Good examples would be Ortiz and Fernando Vargas. Some men have all the skills they'll ever need young but are slow mental maturing .

[Hougigo]

I think these mismmatches are designed to make Figueroa and Thurman look good.

What you have to do, respectfully, is stop thinking like a die hard and think like a promoter who is trying to attract mainstream fans.

For us, the cards do not satisfy what we want. But the casual fan will likely eat this up. Hopefully, it leads to better fights this year. But the promoter has to grow the fighters base and this is one way to do it.

Your points are fair as a die hard fan. I just remind you and others that great fighters are built, not dropped into our laps as wholly created finisshed products.

I know why they're doing it.... if I was a matchmaker I'd point to Estrada being dangerous with his height at the weight class and Fig being prone to injury putting him in an awkward spot.

I'd point to the Thurman fight being dangerous because he knocked down Khan and almost won, and he was former world champion, while not saying what weight class he was a champion at. I'd also say he gave the current WW champion hell in their first fight and he'll be a solid test, then allude to him being Mexican and trained by one of the better trainers today and say it's no a mismatch at all.

I'd say these so I'd make some money off a show, get some views and up my numbers. I don't expect these guys to be making a ton of money and the budget for the entire show to be less than 800k...maybe more.
Would be surprised if they're overpaying these guys and putting on multiple shows like this a year

But I'm a fan, and I want to see good shows. If you want to develop them, put them on Showtime on a friday, MNF's or on the undercard of a better card so it's not all mismatches in one card. That's what they've been doing with Quillin, why not do it with these other cats

[The Big Dunn]

Immediately?.....has Thurman not been calling out Mayweather and every other top dog for 2-3 years now, yet we have seen nothing but tumbleweeds, miss me with the Thurman ass kissing

Thurman 1st 22 fights....................... SRL 1st 25 fights
Diego Gabriel Cháves....................... Andy Price
Dejan Zavec.......................... Pete Ranzany
Carlos Quintana.................................. Tony Chiaverini
Orlando Lora.............................. Marcos Geraldo
Brandon Hoskins........................... Adolfo Viruet
Christopher Fernandez............................. Daniel Aldo Gonzalez
Favio Medina........................................... Fernand Marcotte
Quandray Robertson....................... Johnny Gant
Stalinn Lopez................... Armando Muniz
Leonardo Rojas........................... Bernardo Prada
Edvan Dos Santos Barros.................... Randy Shields
Travis Hartman......................... Floyd Mayweather. Sr.
Marteze Logan.............................. ****y Eklund
Francisco Garcia................ Rafael Rodriguez
Marcus Luck............................... Randy Milton
Omar Bell ................................. Bobby Hayman
Jason Jordan............................... Javier Muniz
Jessie Davis..................................... Art McKnight
Carlos Pena............................................. Rocky Ramon
Brandon Buchanon.............................. Hector Diaz
Tramiane Boone..... ................................. Augustin Estrada
Kensky Rodney.............................. Frank Santore
.................................................. ........ Vinnie DeBarros
.................................................. ....... Willie Rodriguez
.................................................. ......... Luis Vega

[sbbigmike]

Thurman ain't no joke. I believe he could give any of the top 5 fits, that's why you don't see any of them wanting him. I still believe he needs a little seasoning. People forget the boxing game is majority a mental game. You don't want to ruin this young kid. Good examples would be Ortiz and Fernando Vargas. Some men have all the skills they'll ever need young but are slow mental maturing .

Not when he had Chaves looking like Floyd Mayweather light, and bum Karrass nearly sparking him early, lets cut the reaching out out until he faces one top 15 WW, just one....................................


Wide, Wild, can't deal with being walked down, fights tall but has short height and very short reach, and most importantly he has hands down defense he doesnt have that Sergio foot work or reach to pull that off.........He's food at 147-154 and GB knows this, there is a reason why they reach down for a blown up lightweight in Diaz for him...............................

[daggum]

Eurobum is just a term for a out states hand picked bum you know that, Chaves could of bee Russian and I would have still called him a handpick eurobum, doesn't change the fact that he was handpicked and he was a bum and yet Thurman still struggled with him.................

Keep moving goalpost though............Has Thurman faced at least one top 15 WW huh as long as he's been calling out names, and I'm being generous with the top 15 thing, I grade fighters on the number of top 10 bodies that they ran through in their division...Name one Top 15 who Thurman has ran through, i'll wait........

karass had just beaten aydin and berto. those same wins got guerrero a fight against floyd. so he's at least on par with floyd's opposition.

[MONGOOSE66]

That's why I say he needs some seasoning. He ain't perfect but he has tenacity a decent punch with decent speed. Listen, I ain't saying he's going to lite the world on fire, but he is good.

[The Big Dunn]

I know why they're doing it.... if I was a matchmaker I'd point to Estrada being dangerous with his height at the weight class and Fig being prone to injury putting him in an awkward spot.

I'd point to the Thurman fight being dangerous because he knocked down Khan and almost won, and he was former world champion, while not saying what weight class he was a champion at. I'd also say he gave the current WW champion hell in their first fight and he'll be a solid test, then allude to him being Mexican and trained by one of the better trainers today and say it's no a mismatch at all.

I'd say these so I'd make some money off a show, get some views and up my numbers. I don't expect these guys to be making a ton of money and the budget for the entire show to be less than 800k...maybe more.
Would be surprised if they're overpaying these guys and putting on multiple shows like this a year

But I'm a fan, and I want to see good shows. If you want to develop them, put them on Showtime on a friday, MNF's or on the undercard of a better card so it's not all mismatches in one card. That's what they've been doing with Quillin, why not do it with these other cats

We agree that it would be better that prime sat night space should be dedicated to better fights. I just think some of the criticism is misguided because its rooted in the false belief that previous generations of fighters fought nothing but ATG's.

Thats why I pasted Thurman and SRL's 1st fights.

I get that fans want great fights. But some of the complaints are just ridiculous. Promoters and networks are responsible for growing fighters so they can make enough to compensate them for the investment made. Any poster that suggests hirtorically there was something else going on is an idiot that truly doesn't know a thing about the sport.

There is nothing wrong IMO with this fight. Now, we agree that what they are doing with Gary Russell is disgusting.

[sbbigmike]

Thurman 1st 22 fights SRL 1st 25 fights
Diego Gabriel Cháves Andy Price
Dejan Zavec Pete Ranzany
Carlos Quintana Tony Chiaverini
Orlando Lora Marcos Geraldo
Brandon Hoskins Adolfo Viruet
Christopher Fernandez Daniel Aldo Gonzalez
Favio Medina Fernand Marcotte
Quandray Robertson Johnny Gant
Stalinn Lopez Armando Muniz
Leonardo Rojas Bernardo Prada
Edvan Dos Santos Barros Randy Shields
Travis Hartman Floyd Mayweather. Sr.
Marteze Logan ****y Eklund
Francisco Garcia Rafael Rodriguez
Marcus Luck Randy Milton
Omar Bell Bobby Hayman
Jason Jordan Javier Muniz
Jessie Davis Art McKnight
Carlos Pena Rocky Ramon
Brandon Buchanon Hector Diaz
Tramiane Boone Augustin Estrada
Kensky Rodney Frank Santore
Vinnie DeBarros
Willie Rodriguez
Luis Vega

Posting this is pointless as SRL was fighting twice a month then, and he was the man within 2 years time anyway....Contrary to Thurman who had next, but yet wasted 3 years facing mediocre bums, looking beatable in the process

And I find it comical that you use SRL to back up this Thurman resume thing, when you know the sport was different then fighting anybody to fight every other week.....Why did you fail to use ODH, or Mayweather as a barometer since I mentioned them, and since they fought in a similar time frame and era, were they facing no names...............