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  • MisterHardtop
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    British P4P Rankings

    I've come across the SkySports P4P rankings for British fighters and find them to be a bit inaccurate so I thought I would list mine. You are all welcome to list your own, discuss and dissect my list. I'd especially like to read the opinions of non-UK boxing fans.

    Here is the SkySport list:

    1. Carl Froch
    2. Martin Murray
    3. Scott QUigg
    4. George Groves
    5. Amir Khan
    6. Kell Brook
    7. Jamie McDonnell
    8. Ricky Burns
    9. Tyson Fury
    10. Carl Frampton

    Here is my effort, based on world championships or championship fights, skills and opponents amongst other criteria:

    1. Carl Froch
    Completely agree with this, Carl has the best resume of any fighter north of middleweight and is often underrated in the skills department. His jab is awkward and his power legitimate, a top 10 P4P internationally too.

    2. Scott Quigg
    One of the most skilled guys at superbantam and easily a top 5 in the division. He is quick ad determined but can sometimes be guilty of starting slow. There is no denying the quality and talent on offer, now he just needs the opponents.

    3. George Groves
    Young George proved himself against James DeGale some years ago, showing us his potential and against Carl, he may well have fulfilled it. There is no doubt that George is skilled enough to compete with any super middleweight on the planet and has the power to hurt all of them. The rematch with Carl will show us if he can be a champion.

    4. Amir Khan
    Purely based on opponents faced and beaten Amir is up there with the best of them, add in immense talent, handspeed to rival that of a prime Pacquiao or Leonard and you have on of the best fighters on the planet. Sadly his punch resistance has let him down and he still lacks that big, marquee win. But he is just on the fringe at world level and no doubt a top 5 British boxer.

    5. Carl Frampton
    Quick, skilled and with a real hunger to show who is best, Frampton may be the second best super bantamweight on the planet. He just needs the fight to prove it and may get his match this year. The division is ripe for the taking and outside of Rigondeaux, I'm not sure who can beat him.

    6. Kell Brook
    Kell is the best contender at welterweight and one of the most talented fighters I've seen a long while. I haven't seen him as good as he was against Matthew Hatton some years ago but that may be due to a lack of ambition with mediocre opponents sent his way. He deserves a title shot and his skill and power will gain him a belt against anyone outside of the top 3 at 147 lb.

    7. Tyson Fury
    Future heavyweight champion of the world? Who knows. Exciting? Undoubtedly. Tyson Fury is loud and brash and absolutely arrogant but he has come a long way since his debut. He is in better shape now, his footwork has improved and his jab is a real weapon now. By modern standards, he is a skilled heavyweight with size on his side. This is a big year for the traveling heavyweight.

    8. Ricky Burns
    The Scottish star is clearly past his prime, the years in which he beat Roman Martinez are long gone. He has still shown immense heart and determination and against Crawford, he was far from outclassed by a man who was a big betting favourite. Burns can come again I believe, Crawford is not too big a job for him, he allowed himself to be outworked, something burns himself was an expert in.

    9. Martin Murray
    When looking at Murray who see a well rounded fighter, a Jack of all Trades if you prefer but he seems to lack that internal self belief. Against both Sturm and the great Martinez, he slowed down in the championship rounds and allowed the fight to be taken away from him, something to which he has admitted. Why? We may never know. What we do know is that he is highly skilled and can take a shot, all he needs now is a big return to form.

    10. Derek Chisora
    Only ever beaten by the best, Derek Chisora is, in my opinion a top 5 heavyweight, who has often been let down by his own lifestyle. To his credit, he has worked hard to redeem himself and the results have shown. He is a tad slow and lacks stamina for a full 3 minute assault but he makes up for it with a big heart and a decent defence. Another future heavyweight champion?
    Last edited by MisterHardtop; 03-22-2014, 07:14 AM.
  • dan_cov
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    #2
    So basically Quigg is so high up and above Frampton because he got gifted a title?

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    • king4oranges
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      #3
      I agree with froch being 1 because this guy fights top level opposition, i see khan 2nd based on his resume.

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      • MisterHardtop
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        #4
        Originally posted by dan_cov
        So basically Quigg is so high up and above Frampton because he got gifted a title?
        He has also fought the better opponents and he was not gifted a title. Yes the fight was close and most likely a draw but when Quigg started getting busier, the Cuban could not handle the pressure and lost a lot of the latter rounds.

        There's not much between the two and if Frampton can beat the likes of Cruz, he'll leapfrog above Quigg.

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          #5
          Originally posted by king4oranges
          I agree with froch being 1 because this guy fights top level opposition, i see khan 2nd based on his resume.
          No problem with Khan being second but he looked laboured against both Molina and Diaz which is why I dropped him a couple places.

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            #6
            Originally posted by MisterHardtop
            No problem with Khan being second but he looked laboured against both Molina and Diaz which is why I dropped him a couple places.
            fair enuff

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              #7
              Originally posted by MisterHardtop
              He has also fought the better opponents and he was not gifted a title. Yes the fight was close and most likely a draw but when Quigg started getting busier, the Cuban could not handle the pressure and lost a lot of the latter rounds.

              There's not much between the two and if Frampton can beat the likes of Cruz, he'll leapfrog above Quigg.
              frampton beat kiko martinez who is far better than anyone quigg has fought

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              • dan_cov
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                #8
                Originally posted by MisterHardtop
                He has also fought the better opponents and he was not gifted a title. Yes the fight was close and most likely a draw but when Quigg started getting busier, the Cuban could not handle the pressure and lost a lot of the latter rounds.

                There's not much between the two and if Frampton can beat the likes of Cruz, he'll leapfrog above Quigg.
                He won a vacant title via a draw. A draw in his hometown! How has he fought better opponents?
                Framptons win over Kiko is as good as Quiggs entire resume.

                He has beaten Hirales (making noise up at feather), Kiko (world champ), Parodi & Molitor
                Quigg has a draw with Munroe, another with a Cuban. His only standout win is a shot Munroe who just got beaten up by Lee Selby!

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                • LacedUp
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by MisterHardtop
                  I've come across the SkySports P4P rankings for British fighters and find them to be a bit inaccurate so I thought I would list mine. You are all welcome to list your own, discuss and dissect my list. I'd especially like to read the opinions of non-UK boxing fans.

                  Here is the SkySport list:

                  1. Carl Froch
                  2. Martin Murray
                  3. Scott QUigg
                  4. George Groves
                  5. Amir Khan
                  6. Kell Brook
                  7. Jamie McDonnell
                  8. Ricky Burns
                  9. Tyson Fury
                  10. Carl Frampton

                  Here is my effort, based on world championships or championship fights, skills and opponents amongst other criteria:

                  1. Carl Froch
                  Completely agree with this, Carl has the best resume of any fighter north of middleweight and is often underrated in the skills department. His jab is awkward and his power legitimate, a top 10 P4P internationally too.

                  2. Scott Quigg
                  One of the most skilled guys at superbantam and easily a top 5 in the division. He is quick ad determined but can sometimes be guilty of starting slow. There is no denying the quality and talent on offer, now he just needs the opponents.

                  3. George Groves
                  Young George proved himself against James DeGale some years ago, showing us his potential and against Carl, he may well have fulfilled it. There is no doubt that George is skilled enough to compete with any super middleweight on the planet and has the power to hurt all of them. The rematch with Carl will show us if he can be a champion.

                  4. Amir Khan
                  Purely based on opponents faced and beaten Amir is up there with the best of them, add in immense talent, handspeed to rival that of a prime Pacquiao or Leonard and you have on of the best fighters on the planet. Sadly his punch resistance has let him down and he still lacks that big, marquee win. But he is just on the fringe at world level and no doubt a top 5 British boxer.

                  5. Carl Frampton
                  Quick, skilled and with a real hunger to show who is best, Frampton may be the second best super bantamweight on the planet. He just needs the fight to prove it and may get his match this year. The division is ripe for the taking and outside of Rigondeaux, I'm not sure who can beat him.

                  6. Kell Brook
                  Kell is the best contender at welterweight and one of the most talented fighters I've seen a long while. I haven't seen him as good as he was against Matthew Hatton some years ago but that may be due to a lack of ambition with mediocre opponents sent his way. He deserves a title shot and his skill and power will gain him a belt against anyone outside of the top 3 at 147 lb.

                  7. Tyson Fury
                  Future heavyweight champion of the world? Who knows. Exciting? Undoubtedly. Tyson Fury is loud and brash and absolutely arrogant but he has come a long way since his debut. He is in better shape now, his footwork has improved and his jab is a real weapon now. By modern standards, he is a skilled heavyweight with size on his side. This is a big year for the traveling heavyweight.

                  8. Ricky Burns
                  The Scottish star is clearly past his prime, the years in which he beat Roman Martinez are long gone. He has still shown immense heart and determination and against Crawford, he was far from outclassed by a man who was a big betting favourite. Burns can come again I believe, Crawford is not too big a job for him, he allowed himself to be outworked, something burns himself was an expert in.

                  9. Martin Murray
                  When looking at Murray who see a well rounded fighter, a Jack of all Trades if you prefer but he seems to lack that internal self belief. Against both Sturm and the great Martinez, he slowed down in the championship rounds and allowed the fight to be taken away from him, something to which he has admitted. Why? We may never know. What we do know is that he is highly skilled and can take a shot, all he needs now is a big return to form.

                  10. Derek Chisora
                  Only ever beaten by the best, Derek Chisora is, in my opinion a top 5 heavyweight, who has often been let down by his own lifestyle. To his credit, he has worked hard to redeem himself and the results have shown. He is a tad slow and lacks stamina for a full 3 minute assault but he makes up for it with a big heart and a decent defence. Another future heavyweight champion?
                  Scott Quigg shouldn't be that high at all. He's not even faced any world level opposition, Frampton has!

                  I guess Khan would still be my no 2 because he's been at world level for such a long time. Ricky Burns and George Groves would follow Froch and Khan. After that, I would have Scott Quigg, Kell Brook, Nathan Cleverly, Carl Frampton, Fury and maybe Murray or Bellew.

                  So:

                  1 Froch
                  2 Khan
                  3 Groves
                  4 Burns
                  5 Quigg
                  6 Brook
                  7 Cleverly
                  8 Frampton
                  9 Fury
                  10 Murray/Bellew

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                  • Weebler I
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                    Quigg beat Salinas to be honest. 30 of 44 boxing writers gave him the nod, only 3 gave it to Salinas the others a draw. http://boxingnewsonline.net/latest/f...boxing-writers

                    Salinas couldn't handle the left the body.

                    Nevertheless, he is way too high up on that list.

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