Everything wrong with boxing

[Black Barty]

We aren't talking other fights, just this one. I fully understand that the champ needs to be beaten, I get that.

Re-watch the fight, I have and I cannot give it to Danny in any way. Most of the combinations he was throwing that was getting a crowd response weren't landing.

Herrera out worked him, landed more, defended better and you could see the frustration in not only Danny's face, but in his fathers as well.

I get your point, but this wasn't as close as some are making it out to be when you really sit down and watch it. I like Danny, picked him to beat Mathysse, but he lost this fight.

I'm not delusional, and neither is the vast majority of the boxing public, media and fans and neither was Paulie Malignaggie when he called it like it was.

I think Al Bernstein was trying to do some damage control, but Paulie blew that up immediately. Also, Dan Rafeal who I'm not a huge fan of, called it like it is as well.

When we see these types of injustices, we have to be fair even if it's your fighter getting the benefit of the decision. I love Julio Cesar Chavez, but when he was given a draw vs Sweet Pea, I called BS.

I don't know, to me, a robbery is something like Rios vs Abril, where there is no way you can justify the scoring. Chavez jr. vs Vera I is borderline, a weak case can be made for Chavez jr. winning. This fight was no robbery imo, a hometown decision maybe, but "robbery" is too strong a word for it.

[-PBP-]

People are complicating this too much. Herrera was the better ring general, effective aggressor, landed the cleaner, more effective punches and was better defensively.

He won the fight. That's all there is to it.

How can you say Garcia landed the more effective punches when it was Herrera's punches that backed Garcia up, bloodied him, and kept him off balance throughout much of the fight?

The "jab vs. power punch" argument is ****** because Herrera's jabs did more damage than Garcia's power punches which mostly were being slipped or blocked.

[Russian Crushin]

People are complicating this too much. Herrera was the better ring general, effective aggressor, landed the cleaner, more effective punches and was better defensively.

He won the fight. That's all there is to it.

How can you say Garcia landed the more effective punches when it was Herrera's punches that backed Garcia up, bloodied him, and kept him off balance throughout much of the fight?

The "jab vs. power punch" argument is ****** because Herrera's jabs did more damage than Garcia's power punches which mostly were being slipped or blocked.

He was better in every aspect of the "scoring criteria". He clearly landed the most effective and clean shots. As usual Compubox gives people a false vision, 150 power punches landed by Garcia? Thats laughable, all he did as wildly miss all night, his connect % was around 10%

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

I don't know, to me, a robbery is something like Rios vs Abril, where there is no way you can justify the scoring. Chavez jr. vs Vera I is borderline, a weak case can be made for Chavez jr. winning. This fight was no robbery imo, a hometown decision maybe, but "robbery" is too strong a word for it.

When a fighter clearly wins and is not given the decision, it's a robbery. This IMO was as close to that definition as you will get.

People are complicating this too much. Herrera was the better ring general, effective aggressor, landed the cleaner, more effective punches and was better defensively.

He won the fight. That's all there is to it.

How can you say Garcia landed the more effective punches when it was Herrera's punches that backed Garcia up, bloodied him, and kept him off balance throughout much of the fight?

The "jab vs. power punch" argument is ****** because Herrera's jabs did more damage than Garcia's power punches which mostly were being slipped or blocked.

Agreed on all counts.

He was better in every aspect of the "scoring criteria". He clearly landed the most effective and clean shots. As usual Compubox gives people a false vision, 150 power punches landed by Garcia? Thats laughable, all he did as wildly miss all night, his connect % was around 10%

Compubox was terrible and I love what Paulie said about it. That it's just the interpretation of the person pushing the button...lol

[Hougigo]

I don't know, to me, a robbery is something like Rios vs Abril, where there is no way you can justify the scoring. Chavez jr. vs Vera I is borderline, a weak case can be made for Chavez jr. winning. This fight was no robbery imo, a hometown decision maybe, but "robbery" is too strong a word for it.

Wait.... what?

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

I know robbery isn't a term that people like but again, I watched this fight twice and I can't see how Danny won.

I just saw Herrera box circles around him and what made it worse, is half way through the fight, he was pushing Danny back...lol

Mathysse couldn't do that and it shows that skill > power.

[JaguaresMx]

What really bothers me is that I KNEW this would happen. No way in hell Herrera would get a decision. If he was the champion, on what non-fake grounds ("you have to beat the champ!) would you have Danny winning?

But i knew it. That's how much unfairness has become tied to boxing.

Of course you can justify this somehow, but that is the problem: when there is a guy who is more marketable ANY justification will be used. That's the problem: that we're okay with "you can justify" it rather than seeing the obvious: HERRERA WON.

Even the power punching stats were off.

[FerFAL]

Also, Paulie Malignaggi is the ***in man. The only one calling it like it is, he is much needed in this sport and seems to be the voice of reason.

Yuo know what, we have to be honest with ourselves.

This boxing that we have today, this is not a sport. Its a show.

A sport has clear rules by which you win or lose and before any fool jumps in yes you can have fair scores, happens in a TON of other sports. If they can score ice skateing and gymnastics with an acceptable level of accuracy then you can do the same thing with boxing, where tow guys are going against one another and its just a matter of saying who won. They just chose not to do so. Instead we have boxers that win beyond doubt, becuase of agresivness, because of punches landed, yet they get robbed in the ring after clearly winning.
You can also have fair championships. Guy A beats guy B who becomes the immediate mandatory for guy C and the one that wins becomes the champion. But no, we have a dozen belts, companies running things who wont have boxers fight one other and even then you have belts within the belts its just too ****** to explain when anyone that isnt into boxing asks.

So I'm sorry but boxing as we know it right now is not a sport. Its a shame, I love to watch a god fight but we have to call it as we see it.

I know robbery isn't a term that people like but again, I watched this fight twice and I can't see how Danny won.

I just saw Herrera box circles around him and what made it worse, is half way through the fight, he was pushing Danny back...lol

Mathysse couldn't do that and it shows that skill > power.

Matthysse should have won because Danny should have been DQ 10 times over. Again, we go back to the things we all know happen and turn the "sport" of boxing into a joke, at the level of WWE.

[DeadLikeMe]

I had it 115-113 Herrera but a draw would be quite reasonable as well IMO. I guess I could see 115-113 Garcia but that is a stretch.

[have_not]

You know, the older I get, the more I become disgusted with these types of decisions. I watched the fights on Saturday night, and was really happy for a fighter like Herrera who has taken the hard road up.

You can see he really trained hard for this fight, his corner had an amazing game plan, and he gave the performance of his life. Then came the decision....

It's heart breaking to see a fighter like him, become a victim of money. Money in the future of who GB wants Danny Garcia to be. Knowing that a loss to some guy like Herrera, who is supposed to just be a stepping stone, would derail the entire plan they have for a Garcia vs Mayweather showdown.

Now I don't like to use the word "robbery" but this was about as close as you get to that definition. What was even more frustrating was the stats. There's no way Herrera got hit with that many shots, his defense was superb that night. They took the left hook away from Danny, and his jab completely dominated the fight.

Most of the shots the crowd was cheering for, did not land. He was catching and slipping most of the shots, and his face at the end of the fight showed it. Garcia was bruised and bloodied, while Herrera's face looked much better.

Like Teddy Atlas said, you cannot take these punches back. Herrera gave of himself in this fight, and he will never get this back. I knew that he would need a KO to win in PR, it's just a shame because they are taking away the natural order of what should happen in boxing.

The better man won, give Herrera the belts and the chance to make a big payday. That is the way things should be.

On a side note, I HATE the open scoring. It takes away the suspense, and it shows the clear bias that they have for the home town fighter. I wish they would do away with it because it just frustrates you more than anything else. We need reform in boxing, we need to clean things up because I'm sick and tired of these horrible decisions. I know what these guys go through, how hard they train and how much of themselves they put into this sport.

To rob them of victory because of some bigger money making plan is just corruption, bottom line. It's the reason I don't pay for any Mayweather fights, it's all a scam. They want to make money, while propping him up. Setting him up with Maidana, then Khan and possibly Danny is BS. We the fans want to see the best fights, I understand you have to make money but there's money to be made there with better opposition.

Amen.
Couldn't agree more, well written