Everything wrong with boxing

[bojangles1987]

It's the most heartbreaking thing in boxing that doesn't involved physical injury, when someone like Herrera wins a fight like that only to have the judges deny him. This guy just got screwed out of a lot more than one win, he got screwed out of everything that would have resulted from that win.

[bojangles1987]

People are complicating this too much. Herrera was the better ring general, effective aggressor, landed the cleaner, more effective punches and was better defensively.

He won the fight. That's all there is to it.

How can you say Garcia landed the more effective punches when it was Herrera's punches that backed Garcia up, bloodied him, and kept him off balance throughout much of the fight?

The "jab vs. power punch" argument is ****** because Herrera's jabs did more damage than Garcia's power punches which mostly were being slipped or blocked.

Exactly. When a jab is snapping Garcia's head back, it was obviously a much better shot than whatever glancing "power punch" Garcia "landed."

In what way was Garcia the more effective fighter in 6 or 7 rounds? I don't care what power punches he is throwing, they were missing and he was getting caught. Just look at how the fight changed from Garcia stalking to Garcia backing up, that happened for a reason and that reason was Herrera controlling the fight.

[bojangles1987]

I watched the fights in my sisters house and there was a big time Boxing hater there who was just going off. The bs KO of Scott and then the Garcia Herrera decision. He was just going on and on about how fake boxing is now in days and what could I honestly say to defend my sport??? Nothing. Didn't want to either cuz I was actually embarrassed. I was like this should be a good heavyweight fight and look what happened. Then I was talking up Danny and he gets beat up. I hate open scoring too. It really killed the excitement of Canelo Trout for me cuz I knew Austin needed a KO to win and that wasn't going to happen. In this fight, I just knew the robbery or favorable decision was coming ahead of time.

The way open scoring really ruined Alvarez/Trout is the way that fight ended. Without the open scoring, Alvarez is hearing in his corner how he should make sure to close strong, Trout is continuing to fight his fight while raising his game, and who knows what happens in the championship rounds. Instead Alvarez played safe and Trout knew he had no chance.

[paulf]

I really don't like Garcia, so I'm not going to be able to come in here without clear bias, so I'll just say this.

You can't take back what happened Saturday, but you can try to make it right by giving the man a rematch.

[-MAKAVELLI-]

Danny Garcia officially losing to a plumber is something that GBP would never allow to happen


those scorecards were filled in before Danny and Captain Puerto Rico even came to the ring

[ironmt]

Three things should happen.

1. As described above by paulf, give mauricio herrera a rematch.
2. Judges In boxing need to be judged and made to be held accountable for corrupt $##t decisions.(certain amounts deducted In pay. The amount deducted will be determined by how bad the fight was judged).
3. Open scoring was Is and will always be an awful Idea. (STOP IT).

Number 2 will never happen, I guess It's ok to hope though.

[BoxingGenius27]

You know, the older I get, the more I become disgusted with these types of decisions. I watched the fights on Saturday night, and was really happy for a fighter like Herrera who has taken the hard road up.

You can see he really trained hard for this fight, his corner had an amazing game plan, and he gave the performance of his life. Then came the decision....

It's heart breaking to see a fighter like him, become a victim of money. Money in the future of who GB wants Danny Garcia to be. Knowing that a loss to some guy like Herrera, who is supposed to just be a stepping stone, would derail the entire plan they have for a Garcia vs Mayweather showdown.

Now I don't like to use the word "robbery" but this was about as close as you get to that definition. What was even more frustrating was the stats. There's no way Herrera got hit with that many shots, his defense was superb that night. They took the left hook away from Danny, and his jab completely dominated the fight.

Most of the shots the crowd was cheering for, did not land. He was catching and slipping most of the shots, and his face at the end of the fight showed it. Garcia was bruised and bloodied, while Herrera's face looked much better.

Like Teddy Atlas said, you cannot take these punches back. Herrera gave of himself in this fight, and he will never get this back. I knew that he would need a KO to win in PR, it's just a shame because they are taking away the natural order of what should happen in boxing.

The better man won, give Herrera the belts and the chance to make a big payday. That is the way things should be.

On a side note, I HATE the open scoring. It takes away the suspense, and it shows the clear bias that they have for the home town fighter. I wish they would do away with it because it just frustrates you more than anything else. We need reform in boxing, we need to clean things up because I'm sick and tired of these horrible decisions. I know what these guys go through, how hard they train and how much of themselves they put into this sport.

To rob them of victory because of some bigger money making plan is just corruption, bottom line. It's the reason I don't pay for any Mayweather fights, it's all a scam. They want to make money, while propping him up. Setting him up with Maidana, then Khan and possibly Danny is BS. We the fans want to see the best fights, I understand you have to make money but there's money to be made there with better opposition.

Don't you advocate the business side to boxing?

Well this is the business of boxing coming into full effect. It looks like it was all about money to me. Keep Garcia as champ so he can make more $$$ in future potential fights down the line.

[White_Knight]

When you fight in another man's country you often have to win 9 rounds to get a win. Think of the following fighters who were screwed in the other fighter's country:

Chisora vs Helenius in Finland
Murray vs Martinez in Argentina (debatable)
Lara vs Williams in America
Dirrell vs Froch in Britain
Reid vs Ottke in Germany
Pacquiao vs Bradley in America
Herrera vs Garcia in Puerto Rico

[CubanGuyNYC]

We're on the same frequency, Cuauhtémoc. I was going to start a similar thread today. You beat me to it. Boxing is no longer a sport; it's a show, it's a business, it's anything but legitimate sporting competition. What's the point in watching a "sport" where the outcome is always up in the air? It's like watching a baseball game where one team is up 10-2 and, at the end, some jerkoff in authority decides the team with two runs should get the win. It's maddening.

[CubanGuyNYC]

Yuo know what, we have to be honest with ourselves.

This boxing that we have today, this is not a sport. Its a show.

A sport has clear rules by which you win or lose and before any fool jumps in yes you can have fair scores, happens in a TON of other sports. If they can score ice skateing and gymnastics with an acceptable level of accuracy then you can do the same thing with boxing, where tow guys are going against one another and its just a matter of saying who won. They just chose not to do so. Instead we have boxers that win beyond doubt, becuase of agresivness, because of punches landed, yet they get robbed in the ring after clearly winning.
You can also have fair championships. Guy A beats guy B who becomes the immediate mandatory for guy C and the one that wins becomes the champion. But no, we have a dozen belts, companies running things who wont have boxers fight one other and even then you have belts within the belts its just too ****** to explain when anyone that isnt into boxing asks.

So I'm sorry but boxing as we know it right now is not a sport. Its a shame, I love to watch a god fight but we have to call it as we see it.



Matthysse should have won because Danny should have been DQ 10 times over. Again, we go back to the things we all know happen and turn the "sport" of boxing into a joke, at the level of WWE.

Read my mind...over and over. I like watching gymnastics, diving and other judged sports when the Olympics are on. You don't see hometown scoring affecting medals the way you do in boxing. Yes, you sometimes see a hometown judge scoring too high for their athlete, but they're usually mitigated by the other judges. This kind of nonsense only goes on in boxing, both amateur and pro. And, yes, professional boxing is barely more legitimate than pro wrestling. It's bordering on farce.