if cotto beats martinez, is he greater than tito?

[JmH Reborn]

This.

It'll still be a decent win all things considered but no.. Tito would KO Cotto. :|... Benitez would put the beat down as well.

As much as I love Cotto, I couldnt' see Tito or Benitez looking as pitiful as Cotto did vs Pac and Marg 1. Not in their prime

So now Cotto looked pitiful in Marg 1? He went to war and lost in one of the greatest Mex vs PR battles of all time - what's the issue?

Pac is a certified ATG - he would give anyone, in any era a problem

[Ryn0]

It would be a better win than anything Tito has IMO (close to De La Hoya) maybe the manner and amount of Cottos losses is what drags him beneath.

[sugarsmosley]

hey guys, just curious to know how or why u think tito easily beats sergio. i think thats a pretty even fight, tito at 160 isnt the best tito.

[JmH Reborn]

It would be a better win than anything Tito has IMO (close to De La Hoya) maybe the manner and amount of Cottos losses is what drags him beneath.

1. Cotto went to war with Margs and lost. It was a pure war, a type of fight that ends primes. - a true classic

2. Cotto got outclassed and dominated by Pac - bad loss

3. Cotto gave one of the greatest fighters in history perhaps his best fight since Castillo - no shame

4. Lost to Trout in a close fight, where he looked lethargic and bad matchup, plus Cotto is already shot - a type of loss all fighters have, no issue, he's washed up

1. Trinidad in his prime got busted for improper wraps then got beat down 11-0 before being ktfo in his biggest fight. At no point was he competitive.

2. Tito again thoroughly dominated 12-0 by Winky where he wasn't remotely competitive.

3. Again, thoroughly dominated, this time as a fat 170 pound man, fighting a guy more washed up than him, only to lose again 12-0.

So yeah, they both have bad losses - but let's not pretend Tito doesn't. Cotto loss to Pac is really his worst performance, but at least it was against an ATG, in his prime

[MrRolltide91]

Naw he would be a hof fighter though

[TintaBoricua]

1. Cotto went to war with Margs and lost. It was a pure war, a type of fight that ends primes. - a true classic

2. Cotto got outclassed and dominated by Pac - bad loss

3. Cotto gave one of the greatest fighters in history perhaps his best fight since Castillo - no shame

4. Lost to Trout in a close fight, where he looked lethargic and bad matchup, plus Cotto is already shot - a type of loss all fighters have, no issue, he's washed up

1. Trinidad in his prime got busted for improper wraps then got beat down 11-0 before being ktfo in his biggest fight. At no point was he competitive.

2. Tito again thoroughly dominated 12-0 by Winky where he wasn't remotely competitive.

3. Again, thoroughly dominated, this time as a fat 170 pound man, fighting a guy more washed up than him, only to lose again 12-0.

So yeah, they both have bad losses - but let's not pretend Tito doesn't. Cotto loss to Pac is really his worst performance, but at least it was against an ATG, in his prime

That's a damn fine post. I have a word document on my laptop comparing Benítez, Gómez, Trinidad, and Cotto. I factor in biggest wins, biggest losses, biggest strengths, biggest weaknesses, and notable achievements to see who among them was the greatest (although in reality Trinidad and Cotto lose to Benítez and Gómez). I've got on the "Flaws" section for Tito precisely what you said: "Losing big."

The fights he lost, he lost them big. His fights with Hopkins, Winky, and Jones Jr. have all been near shut outs (Tito AT MOST won a total of six rounds between all three fighters).

Cotto's looked decent in his losses. He fought his heart off against Margarito in the first match, gave Pacquiao hell for four rounds before electing to box, and roughed up one of the greatest defensive fighters in history.

His only fight where he looked out of place from start to finish was the Trout fight and even then I thought the scorecards were a tad too wide.

[sugarsmosley]

**bump*

so what do u guys think now. is cotto greater then tito now?

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Tito is way better than cotto...

Tito was better at 147
Tito was better at 154
Tito was better at 160

Cotto is a hall of famer but Tito was better and crushed better fighters...

I don't remember Tito ever taking the knee, even when Hopkins was busting him up..
Tito wasn't beaten by trout, a guy not as good as Reid...


There really is no comparison

[sugarsmosley]

Tito is way better than cotto...

Tito was better at 147
Tito was better at 154
Tito was better at 160

Cotto is a hall of famer but Tito was better and crushed better fighters...

I don't remember Tito ever taking the knee, even when Hopkins was busting him up..
Tito wasn't beaten by trout, a guy not as good as Reid...


There really is no comparison

so do you think cotto vs tito @ welter prime for prime tito smokes him?

i dont think any1 thought tito had a chance in hell against bhop anyway. but yes he did look awful in that fight

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Truth is that Cotto was stumping all over Clottey until the head but and massive cut.

The cut, imparing Cotto's vision was the equalizer.

Seems like a reasonable answer from a guy with a cotto avi..