if cotto beats martinez, is he greater than tito?

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  • mezoomozaa
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    #51
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    Then you have the Fernando Vargas. If anyone heard the explosion that Tito's left hook made when it connected to Vargas' chin in the first round of their fight, you have to ask yourself "what did he just get hit with." Even Fernardo Vargas said, "I had never been hit with a punch like that. I can remember thinking, who is this guy Mike Tyson." After going back and watching the tape of the Vargas vs Trinidad fight, I noticed that even Jim Lampley was saying, "look at how Vargas is responding even to Tito's jab." It was absolutely amazing. Tito's jab was almost knocking Vargas down and this is a fighter who had fought top quality opposition and had never been knocked down before. The exact same story with William Joppy.

    However, once he was made to wrap his hands legally against Bernard Hopkins, the power was gone. At about 1:30 into the first round, Tito and Hopkins got tangled up and as Hopkins was pulling out, Tito was holding his arms down and he hit Hopkins with the exact same left hook that took Vargas down and Joppy out, yet Hopkins felt no ill effects. Again, in the 5th or 6th round as the bell rang to end the round, Tito threw a left hook after the bell rang and caught Hopkins square on his chin, yet Hopkins just looked at Tito like to say, "is that all you got."
    You could see the look on Tito's face, he knew that the fight was over at that point. Even Hopkins told me in our interview, "once Tito hit me with his left hook and seen that he couldn't hurt me, the fight was over." It seems that the illegal hand wraps do indeed have an effect on Tito's power, just as Don Felix says.
    The facts are, that if the wraps were illegal in New York and Don Felix maintains that he has always wrapped Tito's hands that way and that he is going to continue wrapping Tito's hands that way, then there needs to be an official investigation.

    Ironically, in the very same building that Don Felix was caught wrapping Tito's hands illegally (Madison Square Garden), in 1983 a prospect named Billy Collins was badly and surprisingly beaten by an outsider named Luis Resto. At the end Collins's eyes were swollen shut, his mouth was badly bruised and his nose broken. Afterwards his trainer-father shook hands with Resto and felt no padding in the gloves. The very same New York commission discovered
    it had been replaced with water. Resto's cornermen, Carlos "Panama" Lewis and Pedro Alvarado, were banned for life, Resto for one year. Lewis and Resto were also convicted in a criminal court. Not only was Panama Lewis banned for life but he was also jailed for two years. Collins never boxed again, became depressed and died nine months later in a car crash.
    There must be an official investigation before there is a Billy Collins in Tito Trinidad's future and we can only pray that there is not one in his past. END\

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    Sorry, Tito should have been put in jail

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    • Left Hook Tua
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      #52
      idiot.

      wrapping up the hand differently is not the same as using plaster.

      camps argue about opponents wraps all the time.

      and yes the wraps will be HARD. they're suppose to be! to protect your hand. that's why they wrap it real tight.

      ****** ass probably thought wraps are soft because it's gauze.

      too many idiots on here.

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      • Doctor_Tenma
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        #53
        No, Martinez is done. Would have picked Tito over a prime Martinez mind you.

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        • STREET CLEANER
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          #54
          Nope. Even if Cotto gets to beat Martinez what version would it be with a long layoff, coming of of injuries and at a higher age.

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          • Mr.Fantastic
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            #55
            Originally posted by IronDanHamza
            Carlos Ortiz is greater than all 3.
            Would be interested to know why is he greater than Gomez in your opinion.

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            • jtcs1981
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              #56
              Originally posted by sugarsmosley
              i was originally going to ask if he would be the greatest PR fighter of all time lol. imo if he beats martinez, you can for sure make a case hes right there with tito
              NO. Gomez, Tito, Benitez, Ortiz and Montanez have a better career than Cotto. Cotto is on Camacho, Rosario, LaPorte, Calderon level.

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                #57
                Originally posted by IronDanHamza
                Carlos Ortiz is greater than all 3.
                You rate Ortiz on his wins over HoF fighters. He beat like 6? He was great at 135. But I think Benitez is better than all of them.

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                • Left Hook Tua
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                  #58
                  it's hard to say which PR was the greatest. so many good fighters and different eras.

                  but gomez had the coolest nickname.

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                  • Larry the boss
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                    #59
                    No,not even close

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                    • Exciterx30
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                      To me, Trinidad still wins. Let's look at their biggest wins:

                      Trinidad had Carr, Camacho, Campas, Whitaker (old but still decent), DLH, Reid, Vargas, Joppy, and a near prime Mayorga.

                      Cotto has Torres, Malignaggi, Quintana, Judah, Mosley, Clottey, Foreman, an older Mayorga, and Margarito.

                      I think Trinidad has a better resume. If Cotto beats Martínez he makes it closer but Trinidad still takes it.

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