The Philly Shell

[IronDanHamza]

It's not even called the Philly shell, you ****ing ******. It's a basic cross-arm defense that was known as "the crab" until EA Sports started calling it the Philly shell in the fight night video game series.

Anytime someone calls it the Philly shell you're basically announcing to the world that you knew nothing about boxing until you played "fight night."

I'd say the crab style is different to the shoulder roll style defense.

The Crab style is more like Ken Norton or Archie Moore.

The "Shoulder roll" is a little different, albeit similar.

Hard to differentiate because they're similar.

The Shoulder roll we see being used today by Mayweather and Toney etc was orginiated by George Benton. Who's ironically from Philidelphia. Which has no link to the "Philly Shell" which I don't think is an actual term for the style or atleast I'd never hard of it until recent years.

The whole style of rolling your sholders and crossing your arms over to avoid punches has been used and variated for over 100 years.

[ShoulderRoll]

The Shoulder roll we see being used today by Mayweather and Toney etc was orginiated by George Benton. Who's ironically from Philidelphia. Which has no link to the "Philly Shell" which I don't think is an actual term for the style or atleast I'd never hard of it until recent years

Ezzard Charles used it before Benton I believe. That's who James Toney modeled himself after.

[IronDanHamza]

Ezzard Charles used it before Benton I believe. That's who James Toney modeled himself after.

I wouldn't consider Charles to have that style simimlar to Floyd or Toney (Although Toney's and Floyd's are different anyway)

He used his shoulders to defend punches and kept his left arm some what low a lot but he didn't really counter off the shoulder or fight exclusively to that style.

Benton's variation is much closer.

A long list of fighters back then, in Charles era and before that used a variation of a shoulder roll type defense. It's a very "old school" style with a long list of different varision.

It's hard to say really, there's no doubt Toney took parts of Charles game and added it to his game, definitely his counter right hand but like I said I think the foundation of that style, the modern day shoulder roll was originated by Benton.

[Biolink]

What kills me is how guys stand there stiff as hell with no upper body movement and not rolling the shoulders. Do they even watch Floyd or Toney for that matter?

[DoubleLeftH00k]

i kind of think of using philly shell as a way to win ur opponent by points
because the way the body is position its not a good position to throw a KO type of punch

[DoubleLeftH00k]

I'd say the crab style is different to the shoulder roll style defense.

The Crab style is more like Ken Norton or Archie Moore.

The "Shoulder roll" is a little different, albeit similar.

Hard to differentiate because they're similar.

The Shoulder roll we see being used today by Mayweather and Toney etc was orginiated by George Benton. Who's ironically from Philidelphia. Which has no link to the "Philly Shell" which I don't think is an actual term for the style or atleast I'd never hard of it until recent years.

The whole style of rolling your sholders and crossing your arms over to avoid punches has been used and variated for over 100 years.

some people also call it "elbow roll"
it might be because its a good position for boxer to roll a couple of elbows without the reff noticing it

[Weltschmerz]

We saw a hilarious example with Broner vs Maidana how a guy can make himself look like a dumbass using the 'shoulder-roll'.

[Augustane]

Even some professionals can't pull it off. Hah.

[Weltschmerz]

Even some professionals can't pull it off. Hah.

I mean Mayweather knows how to do that stuff, broner looked like a silly imitation and payed for it.

[SplitSecond]

Even some professionals can't pull it off. Hah.

so true my friend, so true