Does Lomanchenko losing make Rigo look better ?

[The Big Dunn]

Wether you want to believe it or not the comparisons were there to begin with. The two gold medals, the gaudy amateur records, the obvious talent/blinding speed. I know the revisionists will say its apples and oranges, they will also note that Loma's in a different space having only had 1 pro bout prior, which is debatable. But Loma was being touted by some as the next Rigo. Regardless of how the fight played out (ref,low blows,scoring etc...), do you feel seeing Loma having been "cut from the same cloth" as Rigo, struggling and losing, shows just how remarkable and how difficult it is to accomplish what Rigo did in under 10 fights (not counting Donaire). In other words is Loma's loss Rigo's win ?

Lomo's loss showed the same thing Broner's loss did-that he wasn't ready to fight a larger, more experienced, power punching veteran.

[M Bison]

Rigo would've gotten knocked out if he fought Salido in his 2nd pro fight.

Rigo would of schooled that dirty low blowing wanker, Salido would of been running about like the slow plodding idiot he is trying to hit Rigo on the nuts whenever he got the chance...
Pathetic excuse for a professional fighter.

Lomachenko got robbed of the victory.

I had thought the same, I wasn't counting the shots that were landing below the belt line so not only did Loma outclass him with regards of sportsmanship of not reacting back to Salido's thuggish cheating ways but he stayed classy and took him apart at range from the outside.

Also noting the fact Salido never made weight and was at 147lbs night of the fight, Loma should of told him to **** off but he never and there is the pity corrupted boxing it was all staged to happen this way.

[Fetta]

No they both are talented they just tried to rush Lomanchencko and are still trying to rush him.

[CubanGuyNYC]

the WSB is not semi pro...........when 2 guys make their debut in the pro ranks they usually match them against guys with similar records (2 0 3 0) their begginers.........the WSB would be just that. head gear is off and almost all of the rules are professional = a pro 5 rounder fight.

the WSB is not semi pro (if theres even a such thing as "semi pro")

I put the term "semi-pro" in quotations because it's an invented term where boxing's concerned. I've watched a good number of WSB fights so far, and I think my invented term fits. Lomachenko has been quoted as saying that the gloves don't fully close. Does that sound like true pro boxing to you?

lomachenko in no way shape or form is a special fighter..........(maybe you've been following too much of his amateur career) he has too many bad habits. he fights entirely too much with his feet but forgets to put his punches together (jabs, combos) the guy came in with the tactic of keep salido at a distance & when he comes in/grab him and push away....he also does way too much shoe shinning (i swear if saldio was more quicker lomachenko would have gotten himself hurt) if he is to be special they would have to break him out of a lot of awful habits.

I never said or implied that Lomo was a "special fighter." Where did you infer that? I think Vasyl is definitely a very good fighter with a lot of promise, and I'm far from alone. Maybe all of us that think so are wrong, but you're no closer to being proven right than we are.

[Godsfly]

I put the term "semi-pro" in quotations because it's an invented term where boxing's concerned. I've watched a good number of WSB fights so far, and I think my invented term fits. Lomachenko has been quoted as saying that the gloves don't fully close. Does that sound like true pro boxing to you?



I never said or implied that Lomo was a "special fighter." Where did you infer that? I think Vasyl is definitely a very good fighter with a lot of promise, and I'm far from alone. Maybe all of us that think so are wrong, but you're no closer to being proven right than we are.

dude, i would argue that you're a bit naive............have you actually put on a pair of gloves (amateur, pro, what ever) obviously he meant that the gloves weren't wrapped as tight & aren't as tightly fitted as the ones in his hbo debut. (& honestly that becomes a nip pick) gloves that can't fully close is automatically hazardous and a danger to any fighter (regardless)

heres the problem.......i don't even see him as a "very good fighter" i see him as a average fighter who needs a lot of work to even be considered very good at this point. i see the foot speed the angles but it's useless without a jab, combos, & putting his punches together. you're not gonna make it long with shoe shining, clinching, and then rinse and repeating. he also has a low boxing iq....when something is not working any longer you shouldn't continue to rinse and repeat the same thing over and over again. thats what killed him........at this point i just don't see it.......

[CubanGuyNYC]

dude, i would argue that you're a bit naive............have you actually put on a pair of gloves (amateur, pro, what ever) obviously he meant that the gloves weren't wrapped as tight & aren't as tightly fitted as the ones in his hbo debut. (& honestly that becomes a nip pick) gloves that can't fully close is automatically hazardous and a danger to any fighter (regardless)

I sparred regularly at one point. I've owned several different brands of gloves (Cleto Reyes, Everlast, Ringside, etc.) for different purposes: sparring, bag work, mitt work, etc. I never owned, or even saw a glove that I couldn't make a tight fist with. I'm pretty sure that Lomo was referring to gloves that were unlike anything I, or he, ever wore. Otherwise, why would he even mention it? If you watch those WSB fights, the boxers' hands never seem to make a fist. It's not true pro boxing.

heres the problem.......i don't even see him as a "very good fighter" i see him as a average fighter who needs a lot of work to even be considered very good at this point. i see the foot speed the angles but it's useless without a jab, combos, & putting his punches together. you're not gonna make it long with shoe shining, clinching, and then rinse and repeating. he also has a low boxing iq....when something is not working any longer you shouldn't continue to rinse and repeat the same thing over and over again. thats what killed him........at this point i just don't see it.......

Okay, so you're not impressed. A lot of other people are. Who's right? Time will tell.

I agree to the bold, and I also concur that Lomo obviously needs to work on his professional game. I'll also say that very few boxers could've performed like Vasyl did, against a guy like Salido, in only their second true pro bout. There were certainly flaws, but it was a nice outing...all things considered. I don't know what some people were expecting. Even Rigo wouldn't have looked so hot in his second pro fight.

[Tyler_Durden]

No, Lomachenko losing does not make Rigo look better in anyway because it has nothing to do with him.

[Weltschmerz]

Rigo would of schooled that dirty low blowing wanker, Salido would of been running about like the slow plodding idiot he is trying to hit Rigo on the nuts whenever he got the chance...
Pathetic excuse for a professional fighter.



I had thought the same, I wasn't counting the shots that were landing below the belt line so not only did Loma outclass him with regards of sportsmanship of not reacting back to Salido's thuggish cheating ways but he stayed classy and took him apart at range from the outside.

Also noting the fact Salido never made weight and was at 147lbs night of the fight, Loma should of told him to **** off but he never and there is the pity corrupted boxing it was all staged to happen this way.

I had Loma winning the fight regardless. It was a close fight, but Loma won IMO. Anyway, he will come back strong. He almost had Salido in the final round. Salido got lucky, dirty bastard he is.

[BendOver]

I had Loma winning the fight regardless. It was a close fight, but Loma won IMO. Anyway, he will come back strong. He almost had Salido in the final round. Salido got lucky, dirty bastard he is.

So to you only salido was fouling, how about the excesive holding right from the start by lomachenko? maybe salido hit him low because he was holding him too much...

[Godsfly]

I sparred regularly at one point. I've owned several different brands of gloves (Cleto Reyes, Everlast, Ringside, etc.) for different purposes: sparring, bag work, mitt work, etc. I never owned, or even saw a glove that I couldn't make a tight fist with. I'm pretty sure that Lomo was referring to gloves that were unlike anything I, or he, ever wore. Otherwise, why would he even mention it? If you watch those WSB fights, the boxers' hands never seem to make a fist. It's not true pro boxing.



Okay, so you're not impressed. A lot of other people are. Who's right? Time will tell.

I agree to the bold, and I also concur that Lomo obviously needs to work on his professional game. I'll also say that very few boxers could've performed like Vasyl did, against a guy like Salido, in only their second true pro bout. There were certainly flaws, but it was a nice outing...all things considered. I don't know what some people were expecting. Even Rigo wouldn't have looked so hot in his second pro fight.

wait wait wait.........i don't think you read that right (a boxing glove that you can't make a full fist with is considered hazardous & will quickly be deemed as faulty and thrown away) the closest thing that I've heard of that is the thumb thing in the Olympics. the problem is, if you're hit with an open glove it could injurer An eye. heres the real difference. lomachenko was fighting with 10 oz gloves in WSB compared with 8oz in his hbo debut..........of course that will feel tighter and more mobile to your fist then 10oz's. and show me one fight where 2 guys couldn't make a full fist in the WSB (in fact the only person who complained was lomachenko) i would post a video but anyone could pull up a WSB video and see that it's bullcrap. guys have their gloves fully closed..........

obviously lomachenkos fights in the WSB were professional fights (they just weren't accounted for) so he really had 7 or 8 fights going into the salido match, not his 2nd professional fight.........and what makes a pro fight? the rules and lack of head gear. theres no such thing as "semi pro" it's ether the rules were closer to a professional bout or an amateur bout. and in this case they were pro fights............(pro fights that simply weren't accounted for)


"Even Rigo wouldn't have looked so hot in his second pro fight"

i honestly think salido has regressed greatly.....he's old, warn, and can't even make his weight anymore. this was a showcase fight for lomachenko. salido actually was complaining about getting down in weight...i don't even think he wanted this fight at 125. he warned that he would be dead at the weight and he could no longer make it.........what did arum say? **** you salido. you're gonna stay at 125 and be a stepping stone for my new future star.......so am i shocked that he missed the weight? NO. he's dead at 125.......after the micky fight he wanted to fight martinez at 130. the only reason he drained down again was because of arum and lomachenko demanding that it be at 125.........

so in realty a aging saldio at 125 (a weight that he has to struggle with) is not all that impressive........in fact salido looked very sluggish.

and last but not least, lomachenko didn't even win..........