Is Joe Frazier really an ATG?

[LacedUp]

And I have to question your credibility since you dickride fighters hard only because they're from the same city as you are.

As I stated earlier I have a great respect for Joe, he was tough as nails and was a true warrior but he's not an ATG in my book.

No matter how old timers will try to praise his resume the fact is Muhammad Ali is his only great win.

He was destroyed by Foreman but fought him again anyway....as I said his toughness and heart is unquestionable but it still doesn't change the fact that he got steamrolled again.

I love this sport but I like to have a clear view on fighters. I don't praise them because they're from the same city or country ir because when they fought in good ol' days when boxing and boxers were better.

Actually, Smokin' Joe is from south carolina if I'm not mistaken. He only moved to philly when he was a grown man.

Well, it's just a funny argument - because Joe Frazier beat more #1 contenders than Wlad and Vitali put together, and yes he was knocked out by Foreman like everyone else at the time - but Wlad got spanked by Brewster, Sanders and that journeyman, yet you would argue he's an ATG would you not?

Put on top of that, Frazier clearly has a much much much better win than any Wlad win on his books and fought Ali three times, Foreman twice, quarry, mathis, bonavena, Jimmy ellis, Bob Foster etc etc.

There's no denying this man is great. and for a strange reason very underrated.

Also, don't forget that Frazier was getting old when he fought Foreman in 73 or whenever it was. He was slipping a little.

[IronDanHamza]

I'm not saying he did, just that it was a very close fight and some people thought he won.

In my book Ali won it though. I still think a prime smokin joe gives a prime '66 Ali his toughest fight.

Close but clear is the best you're going to get.

The majority of people thought Ali won comfortably, which he did.

[LacedUp]

Close but clear is the best you're going to get.

The majority of people thought Ali won comfortably, which he did.

Yeah it wasn't controversial, but some people thought it was closer than it was. All i'm saying.

Regardless what it says on paper, anyone that has seen that epic trilogy would be a fool to discredit Frazier for his efforts or lessen his status based on those fights.

[Szef]

Actually, Smokin' Joe is from south carolina if I'm not mistaken. He only moved to philly when he was a grown man.

Well, it's just a funny argument - because Joe Frazier beat more #1 contenders than Wlad and Vitali put together, and yes he was knocked out by Foreman like everyone else at the time - but Wlad got spanked by Brewster, Sanders and that journeyman, yet you would argue he's an ATG would you not?

Put on top of that, Frazier clearly has a much much much better win than any Wlad win on his books and fought Ali three times, Foreman twice, quarry, mathis, bonavena, Jimmy ellis, Bob Foster etc etc.

There's no denying this man is great. and for a strange reason very underrated.

Also, don't forget that Frazier was getting old when he fought Foreman in 73 or whenever it was. He was slipping a little.

Why do you always bring Klitschkos to conversation?

I don't think Vitali is an ATG but Wlad certainly is based on his dominance, fighting and beating the best fighter possible.

Frazier's win over Ali is without a doubt better than any of Wlad's wins but again, Joe was lucky to be in the same era with Ali and Foreman and his 1-4 against them.

[MDPopescu]

I know he did beat Ali once but that's it, he lost to "The Greatest" two times. Of course it's not a shame to lose a fight to Muhammad Ali.

Nah, Frazier didn't beat Ali, not even in their first fight... I've watched the fight live!

In the 12th round, Ali "went down" only to be back on his feet after three seconds -- thus securing Frazier the "win"... But actually Frazier took a serious punishment from Ali all night long -- Frazier was hospitalized immediately after the fight...
... But Frazier was so gracious when he agreed to fight Ali after his long absence... Later, Ali repeatedly expressed his gratitude toward Frazier -- who helped him come back at the top...

[MDPopescu]

Joe was lucky to be in the same era with Ali and Foreman and his 1-4 against them.

Both Ali and Foreman were ATGs (with Ali on top, of course!)...
... "Smokin' Joe", instead, inspired Mike Tyson (as I remember...)

[LacedUp]

Why do you always bring Klitschkos to conversation?

I don't think Vitali is an ATG but Wlad certainly is based on his dominance, fighting and beating the best fighter possible.

Frazier's win over Ali is without a doubt better than any of Wlad's wins but again, Joe was lucky to be in the same era with Ali and Foreman and his 1-4 against them.

Because I find it strange that you can discredit Frazier for his loss to another ATG, when another fighter you deem to be an ATG has 3 KO losses vs nobodies. And at the same time, one fighter, Frazier, has more #1 wins + has a win over the best of all times and two close fights, and Wlad doesn't even have a win over a current or future HOFamer?

Frazier also dominated the divison for 4-5 years and was a top fighter one of the strongest heavyweight divisions of all times. He was also the winner of the biggest heavyweight fight of all times.

I'm just a little baffled that you can have these double standards.

Nah, Frazier didn't beat Ali, not even in their first fight... I've watched the fight live!

In the 12th round, Ali "went down" only to be back on his feet after three seconds -- thus securing Frazier the "win"... But actually Frazier took a serious punishment from Ali all night long -- Frazier was hospitalized immediately after the fight...
... But Frazier was so gracious when he agreed to fight Ali after his long absence... Later, Ali repeatedly expressed his gratitude toward Frazier -- who helped him come back at the top...

Frazier won the first fight for sure.

[jasjas]

Why do you always bring Klitschkos to conversation?

I don't think Vitali is an ATG but Wlad certainly is based on his dominance, fighting and beating the best fighter possible.

Frazier's win over Ali is without a doubt better than any of Wlad's wins but again, Joe was lucky to be in the same era with Ali and Foreman and his 1-4 against them.

is joe calzaghe an ATG?

[jasjas]

Because I find it strange that you can discredit Frazier for his loss to another ATG, when another fighter you deem to be an ATG has 3 losses vs nobodies. And at the same time, one fighter, Frazier, has more #1 wins + has a win over the best of all times and two close fights, and Wlad doesn't even have a win over a current or future HOFamer?

Frazier also dominated the divison for 4-5 years and was a top fighter one of the strongest heavyweight divisions of all times. He was also the winner of the biggest heavyweight fight of all times.

I'm just a little baffled that you can have these double standards.



Frazier won the first fight for sure.

great post........exposed a ******ed, idiotic, provocative, biased and unintelligent OP.

[jasjas]

Why do you always bring Klitschkos to conversation?

I don't think Vitali is an ATG but Wlad certainly is based on his dominance, fighting and beating the best fighter possible.

Frazier's win over Ali is without a doubt better than any of Wlad's wins but again, Joe was lucky to be in the same era with Ali and Foreman and his 1-4 against them.

........and "i am going to use his 'luck' against him by relinquishing him of ATG status because he lost to those guys..P.S. IDKSAB"

so it doesnt matter that wlad got knocked out twice by sanders and brewster and stopped by purity but it does matter that frazier lost to foreman and ali.

OP is obviously either trolling or woefully unintelligent. which one is it?