Is Joe Frazier really an ATG?

[Szef]

I see your point, but Gatti's trilogy was against Micky Ward. Frazier's was against Ali.

So? He lost it 1 - 2 and this one win against Ali comng back from 4 year break is his only claim to fame.

As I stated earlier, I respect him for his heart and toughness but Joe Frazier is not an ATG.

[KingTito]

So? He lost it 1 - 2 and this one win against Ali comng back from 4 year break is his only claim to fame.

As I stated earlier, I respect him for his heart and toughness but Joe Frazier is not an ATG.

Well I would say that win over Ali is a pretty big one. It's certainly better than beating Ward a couple of times. I don't consider Frazier an ATG among the likes of Ali, Robinson, Leonard and Duran, but he's certainly one of the great HW's and an important figure in our boxing's history.

[raf727]

So is Arturo Gatti.



So was Arturo Gatti.



So...nothing?

So Gatti-Ward 1 is equal to Ali-Frazier 1 in what ways other than it was an a good fight? Jim Lamply cries on some show about it, and it is all of the sudden the most important fight possibly in the sport?

[bojangles1987]

So? He lost it 1 - 2 and this one win against Ali comng back from 4 year break is his only claim to fame.

As I stated earlier, I respect him for his heart and toughness but Joe Frazier is not an ATG.

That's not Frazier's only claim to fame at all, though. When Ali went away, Frazier earned the recognition of being the best heavyweight in the world by beating some damn good fighters in a pretty good heavyweight era. The reason the first Ali fight was the Fight of the Century to begin with is because Frazier was a great, great fighter and the champ. That Frazier won that fight solidified that he was a great, one of the best heavyweights to ever step in the ring.

[KingTito]

That's not Frazier's only claim to fame at all, though. When Ali went away, Frazier earned the recognition of being the best heavyweight in the world by beating some damn good fighters in a pretty good heavyweight era. The reason the first Ali fight was the Fight of the Century to begin with is because Frazier was a great, great fighter and the champ. That Frazier won that fight solidified that he was a great, one of the best heavyweights to ever step in the ring.

Exactly right

[Augustane]

That's not Frazier's only claim to fame at all, though. When Ali went away, Frazier earned the recognition of being the best heavyweight in the world by beating some damn good fighters in a pretty good heavyweight era. The reason the first Ali fight was the Fight of the Century to begin with is because Frazier was a great, great fighter and the champ. That Frazier won that fight solidified that he was a great, one of the best heavyweights to ever step in the ring.

But where does that rank George Foreman, then? Would Big George be considered an ATG also then? Especially with the comeback trail at 40.

[bojangles1987]

But where does that rank George Foreman, then? Would Big George be considered an ATG also then? Especially with the comeback trail at 40.

George Foreman is probably a universal top 5 ATG heavyweight, maybe top 3. He has a real claim after Ali and Joe Louis IMO.

[Szef]

Well I would say that win over Ali is a pretty big one. It's certainly better than beating Ward a couple of times. I don't consider Frazier an ATG among the likes of Ali, Robinson, Leonard and Duran, but he's certainly one of the great HW's and an important figure in our boxing's history.

So Gatti-Ward 1 is equal to Ali-Frazier 1 in what ways other than it was an a good fight? Jim Lamply cries on some show about it, and it is all of the sudden the most important fight possibly in the sport?

Again, I was responding to that other guy's post. Both Frazier and Gatti were involved in great trilogies and they both were very exciting. Gatti is not considered to be an ATG while Joe, based on one win, is.

That's not Frazier's only claim to fame at all, though. When Ali went away, Frazier earned the recognition of being the best heavyweight in the world by beating some damn good fighters in a pretty good heavyweight era. The reason the first Ali fight was the Fight of the Century to begin with is because Frazier was a great, great fighter and the champ. That Frazier won that fight solidified that he was a great, one of the best heavyweights to ever step in the ring.

Give me a break? What damn good fighters? Frazier fought Chisoras and Tony Thompsons of his times.

The reason the first Ali fight was the Fight of the Century is because great and controversial Muhammad Ali was coming back after 4 year lay off to claim his title back from the current HW champion and that's it. People were interested in that fight because of Ali, not because of Frazier

[superfansaints]

Ali fought twice after his three year lay off. Then Ali lost in Ali vs Frazier 1. Ali vs Frazier two Ali held his frazier head. After Forman killed frazier and the time after Ali vs Frazier 2 Ali wanted to fight a third time. The controversy heading into round 15 did Ali want to quit which rumors he did and Futch stop the fight because Frazier couldn't see out his eye. That was a great series and wasn't some blow out. Frazier has only lost to Ali and Forman.

[Konstantin]

To be honest if he is an ATG then so is Jmm

Exactly this.