Who has the better resume: Kirkland or Lara?

[IronDanHamza]

The vera win for Kirkland is the equivalent for Lara's over Trout... Yes. Outside of Cotto, was has Austin Trout really done? He has zero power with an awkward style.. I've never been big on that dude. Vera has actually beat more credible opponents than Trout has. I'm just being honest

Lastly, I don't know how many times I have to tell you guys that Angulo didn't punch himself out, it was an uppercut from Kirkland that stopped him in his tracks. Max Kellerman even acknowledged this punch from Kirkland when it happened. Angulo went on to knock the snot out of Kirkland (literally) several times after the first round which isn't bad for a punched out fighter. Maybe I should start a thread with video debunking this "punched out" theory.

Again, I still fail to see your logic on why the Lara Angulo faced was better than the one Kirkland faced. I take that back, your logic makes no sense to me

Whether he punched himself out or Kirkland caused it with a punch is irrelevant anyway he won the fight and won it in impressive fashion.

Lara was supposed to dominate Angulo, Kirkland was supposed to get destroyed by Angulo.

[BoxingGenius27]

Whether he punched himself out or Kirkland caused it with a punch is irrelevant anyway he won the fight and won it in impressive fashion.

Lara was supposed to dominate Angulo, Kirkland was supposed to get destroyed by Angulo.

You're right, I should stop trying to debunk that myth for the point it moot.

I was "this close" to pulling up the video and starting another thread on it.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

I think they are very similar,, both have looked good and bad..

Lara probably has a deeper resume in terms of names, williams, Vanes, trout, angulo, molina kirkland has angulo, molina

In terms of resume i gotta go with lara.. His clear win over trout is the difference maker IMO but its close

[DannYankee]

The vera win for Kirkland is the equivalent for Lara's over Trout... Yes. Outside of Cotto, was has Austin Trout really done? He has zero power with an awkward style.. I've never been big on that dude. Vera has actually beat more credible opponents than Trout has. I'm just being honest

Lastly, I don't know how many times I have to tell you guys that Angulo didn't punch himself out, it was an uppercut from Kirkland that stopped him in his tracks. Max Kellerman even acknowledged this punch from Kirkland when it happened. Angulo went on to knock the snot out of Kirkland (literally) several times after the first round which isn't bad for a punched out fighter. Maybe I should start a thread with video debunking this "punched out" theory.

Again, I still fail to see your logic on why the Lara Angulo faced was better than the one Kirkland faced. I take that back, your logic makes no sense to me

He was completely gassed out by the 3rd round he was throwing arm punches yes I call that gassed out as did everyone calling that fight, and I very much encourage you to watch the fight again before you debunk your own memory publicly . He showed a different level of readiness in his last fight which nobody was expecting. I personally thought he was going to gass out after 200 punches again, but fk me the dude showed up with unlimited stamina cheat code.


Really tho Vera is equivalent to beating Trout? Reeeeaaaallyyyy? the same Trout that gave Canelo a run for his money really?? That's what you want to stick to? Damn! So if Lara beats Vera after JCC jr then his resume is way better than Kirkland'd to you then? In my case wouldn't even mention it, and I would actually knock on Lara for taking a step back in competition. Just because JCC jr struggled with the gatekeeper oters have beat on, does not mean the gatekeeper was suddenly always a beast means means JCC jr is potentially a bigger turd than we all thought. I said the same thing when Salido tapped that Juanma bootay; didn't mean Salido was a dragon meant Juanma's stock was over estimated.

[BoxingGenius27]

He was completely gassed out by the 3rd round he was throwing arm punches yes I call that gassed out as did everyone calling that fight, and I very much encourage you to watch the fight again before you debunk your own memory publicly .

Really tho Vera is equivalent to beating Trout? Reeeeaaaallyyyy? the same Trout that gave Canelo a run for his money really?? That's what you want to stick to? Damn! So if Lara beats Vera after JCC jr then his resume is way better than Kirkland'd to you then? In my case wouldn't even mention it, and I would actually knock on Lara for taking a step back in competition. Just because JCC jr struggled with the gatekeeper oters have beat on, does not mean the gatekeeper was suddenly always a beast means means JCC jr is potentially a bigger turd than we all thought. I said the same thing when Salido tapped that Juanma bootay; didn't mean Salido was a dragon meant Juanma's stock was over estimated.

Remind me what Austin Trout has actually done? I'm not talking giving someone a run for their money. Giving someone a run for their money doesn't count as a W.

Trout was Canelo's first big step up in competition anyway.

Again, speaking objectively, how is Austin Trout's resume so much better than Vera's?

Trout might have the bigger single victory over Cotto, but as far as depth, Trout as done absolutely nothing.

Vera has Mora x2, undefeated Lee, Dzinziruk and a robbery loss to Chavez Jr that's the equivalent to Lara's loss to Williams.

Please tell me how Austin Trout falls into all this unless you're talking about:

Canelo's brother
LoPorto
Delvin Rodriguez
David Lopez

[DannYankee]

Remind me what Austin Trout has actually done? I'm not talking giving someone a run for their money. Giving someone a run for their money doesn't count as a W.

Trout was Canelo's first big step up in competition anyway.

Again, speaking objectively, how is Austin Trout's resume so much better than Vera's?

Trout might have the bigger single victory over Cotto, but as far as depth, Trout as done absolutely nothing.

Vera has Mora x2, undefeated Lee, Dzinziruk and a robbery loss to Chavez Jr that's the equivalent to Lara's loss to Williams.

Please tell me how Austin Trout falls into all this unless you're talking about:

Canelo's brother
LoPorto
Delvin Rodriguez
David Lopez

Trout has only lost to top tier competition, and only really been completely outclassed one of those two times (against Lara) . Vera has lost to people who only showed up with a pulse when Trout starts loosing to bottom 100 ranked fighters like Vera has then you may have a point until then no fking way. Just because Vera has fought more people doesn't make him any better than trout;furthermore, if Trout and Vera fought each other who would you put your money on??? Be honest here.

[Respect Power]

Lara no question .... But Kirkland is a lot of fun to watch , Heart N Intensity ...

[Da Machine]

You might be the only person in the world that thinks Kirkland "deserved" the victory against Molina quit trolling.

No he's not. Even if the corner didn't BREAK THE RULES. Molina was dead tired, had just been knocked down and had to survive for two more rds with Kirkland coming on. It wasn't happening.

Molina clinched his way to a substantial lead throw 9 rds, and was worn out by it.

Basically fuck Molina.

Kirland may struggle to get fights like Gamboa has from here on out thugh. It just so happens to be that 154 is mostly controlled by GBP. Kirkland just ****ed GBP and is with 50 cent. 50 cent has barely been able to get Gamboa fights.

If weer going to talk about Lara vs Kirkland, why don't we not get carried away and say Lara without a doubt. Lara has showed that he can fade. Lara has showed that he can be caught on the run. Lara is probably one of the most overrated fighters on here. He runs (not boxes) and counters with the right. That's all he ever does.

[BoxingGenius27]

Trout has only lost to top tier competition, and only really been completely outclassed one of those two times (against Lara) . Vera has lost to people who only showed up with a pulse when Trout starts loosing to bottom 100 ranked fighters like Vera has then you may have a point until then no fking way. Just because Vera has fought more people doesn't make him any better than trout;furthermore, if Trout and Vera fought each other who would you put your money on??? Be honest here.

How did you go from talking about resume to H2H?

I asked you to show me how Trouts resume is better than Vera's and I'm still waiting???

I don't care if Vera has 10 losses, his resume is even if not better than Trouts. Trout has the better lone victory in Cotto, but Vera has more depth.

Now if Trout-Vera fought h2h, I think Trout would be the favorite. Shoot, Vera is always the underdog in all his matches so I'm not sure what point you're making. Regarding actual fight, if Trout can impose his boring style on Vera, he might squeak out a decision based victory. If he gets trapped in the corner like Dzinziruk did or gets caught with Vera's overhand right it will be the other way for Vera.

My whole point in the matter is if you say Lara has the better resume, that's fine. But it's in no way a landslide whatsoever.

I have Kirkland and Lara having the best resume's at 154 right now despite their distinct difference in rankings

[BoxingGenius27]

No he's not. Even if the corner didn't BREAK THE RULES. Molina was dead tired, had just been knocked down and had to survive for two more rds with Kirkland coming on. It wasn't happening.

Molina clinched his way to a substantial lead threw 9 rds, and was worn out by it.

Basically fuck Molina.

Kirland may struggle to get fights like Gamboa has from here on out thugh. It just so happens to be that 154 is mostly controlled by GBP. Kirkland just ****ed GBP and is with 50 cent. 50 cent has barely been able to get Gamboa fights.

If weer going to talk about Lara vs Kirkland, why don't we not get carried away and say Lara without a doubt. Lara has showed that he can fade. Lara has showed that he can be caught on the run. Lara is probably one of the most overrated fighters on here. He runs (not boxes) and counters with the right. That's all he ever does.

This is very hard for many to understand.... Or maybe they get it but hate Kirkland so much that they refuse to acknowledge it.

I'm trying to give them the benefit of the doubt because I can't see why what's so painfully obvious is so hard for some to grasp