Golovkin vs Andy Lee already on BoxRec......

[The Big Dunn]

This is the third time I've seen you say this Do you not like Lee then? Can't say I'm a massive fan but he strikes me as a fairly decent bloke when interviewed.



It's a side-issue to what we're talking about but I don't think Golovkin v Chavez is as much of a mismatch as some make it out to be, ditto Chavez v Froch and Ward. The guy is hated and I think that's led to a certain level of underrating, he's a unit at the weight and has more skill than given credit for.



You're acting like Golovkin can get an A+ opponent. He can't, he can't even secure a B+ like a Geale or Murray. Against that background, this is a decent bout imo. Will Lee get stopped? possibly/probably, but the same would be predicted for most of the division.

He isn't hated. I certainly am not under rating him. He's being held to the level his fans and his network say he is on.

Ward is available but he and his network will not make that fight right now. Against that background, its still a terrible fight. GGG just had his stay busy fight with Adama.

Lets just hope this fight doesn't get made.

[Evil Abed]

He isn't hated. I certainly am not under rating him. He's being held to the level his fans and his network say he is on.

Ward is available but he and his network will not make that fight right now. Against that background, its still a terrible fight. GGG just had his stay busy fight with Adama.

Lets just hope this fight doesn't get made.

They've made the decision to stay at 160,

So Ward's availability is irrelevant.

Geale, Murray, Sturm's availability is what's making this possible.

[The Big Dunn]

They've made the decision to stay at 160,

So Ward's availability is irrelevant.

Geale, Murray, Sturm's availability is what's making this possible.

IMO, Its the decision to stay at 160 rather than fight anyone from 154 to 168 that is making this fight possible.

If it gets made its because Lee will help fill the theatre and because GGG and HBO think Ward will beat him.

[Citizen Koba]

He isn't hated. I certainly am not under rating him. He's being held to the level his fans and his network say he is on.

Ward is available but he and his network will not make that fight right now. Against that background, its still a terrible fight. GGG just had his stay busy fight with Adama.

Lets just hope this fight doesn't get made.

Ward has said 'send me an offer' but it's a bit disingenuous because he knows one ain't coming, and anyway realistically do you really think it'd be smart for GGG to fight Ward whilst he's still trying to build his fan-base (even if they think Golovkin has a reasonable chance of beating him).

Wards a $2 mil+ fighter, GGGs a 500k fighter, we know the names that Golovkin has tried and is trying to get in the ring, and none of them are close to Wards level in quality or cost.

Geale was realistically the best MW that was available and we saw what just happened to that. When Maravilas done with Cotto (or vice versa) that may happen. Until then I don't think we're going to see Golovkin fight at 168 (though personally I think taking on a decent SMW would be a good option) - within those limits Lee (who beat up an OK SMW himself in Vera) ain't so bad. At 160 there ain't really all that much better than Lee to be made. The only other option is really to start sniffing around 168.

[IronDanHamza]

They've made the decision to stay at 160,

So Ward's availability is irrelevant.

Geale, Murray, Sturm's availability is what's making this possible.

But now he's saying 154 is possible again. Last week it wasn't. Then before that 168 was possible, now it's not.

He's constantly changing on what he's willing to do.

[Citizen Koba]

But now he's saying 154 is possible again. Last week it wasn't. Then before that 168 was possible, now it's not.

He's constantly changing on what he's willing to do.

Sanchez talks too much - anyway it's been obvious for a long time that when they say 154 they're talking about a one-off big money fight rather than a longer term move - in the long run it's gonna be SMW (unless 160 suddenly becomes real exciting).

[US Dirk Killer]

Still can't fathom how people hate when these guys are obviously ducking.... Documented and everything

[IronDanHamza]

Sanchez talks too much - anyway it's been obvious for along time that when they say 154 they're talking about a one-off big money fight rather than a longer term move - in the long run it's gonna be SMW (unless 160 suddenly becomes real exciting).

That's very true.

[The Big Dunn]

Ward has said 'send me an offer' but it's a bit disingenuous because he knows one ain't coming, and anyway realistically do you really think it'd be smart for GGG to fight Ward whilst he's still trying to build his fan-base (even if they think Golovkin has a reasonable chance of beating him).

Wards a $2 mil+ fighter, GGGs a 500k fighter, we know the names that Golovkin has tried and is trying to get in the ring, and none of them are close to Wards level in quality or cost.

Geale was realistically the best MW that was available and we saw what just happened to that. When Maravilas done with Cotto (or vice versa) that may happen. Until then I don't think we're going to see Golovkin fight at 168 (though personally I think taking on a decent SMW would be a good option) - within those limits Lee (who beat up an OK SMW himself in Vera) ain't so bad. At 160 there ain't really all that much better than Lee to be made. The only other option is really to start sniffing around 168.

Your post is very good and makes smart, fair points. Your last sentence is the part that GGG can't escape.

The man is a highly skilled, powerful fighter. If HBO is going to market him the way they have then Andy Lee fights will not cut it. HBO has annointed him the best MW already. Fans are simply asking he live up to this. Andy Lee at this stage would be a marginal choice as a sparring partner

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[secondsin]

he didn't take a ton of shots against adama or ishida, but rosado, stevens, even proksa hit him with some of the best stuff they had. so did ouma. he has a good chin. those punches that stevens hit him with especially hurt a lot of middleweights.

he takes punches when he comes forward. he's already in his 30's. his style is certainly less inclined for a long career than a boxer. as me moves up in weight, he'll be fighting guys who hit him harder and have longer lasting chins.


mod don't even know when punches are landing . boxing styles lend themselves to long careers, and pressure styles usually don't. it's time for that resignation, bro. you've seen too many winters. go shovel some snow.

You need to watch those fights again. GGG''s defense is so overlooked, it's crazy!

What I've seen in Golovkin's last couple fights (Stevens, Macklin) is a guy who fights with effective and smart aggression. He's not reckless, he doesn't get hit a lot and when he does it's not cleanly. I could be wrong though; I'll rewatch those fights but my first impression is that Golovkin has a pretty sturdy defense.

This guy's on point.


Anyway, Golovkin and his team have always said that Golovkin is a 160 fighter and would only go up/down for marquee fights. Why is that so hard to understand?


I see that both Chavez Jr and Andy Lee are being underrated. Golovkin's a mismatch for anyone @160. Andy Lee is a good fighter. He only has 2 losses and avenged his lost to Vera. I had Chavez Jr winning at the time of the stoppage in his fight versus Lee, but Lee held his own, and although he was getting beat, he was starting the throw and land some powerful shots of his own and I felt the fight was stopped prematurely. With the punches Lee was starting throw, I don't see how anyone could say he was saved by the ref. With so much being thrown his way, he stayed on his feet, dug deep, and fought back. He showed alot of heart in that fight and some of you are just hating.