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    #101
    Mora > Lee. What a soap opera, at this rate Golovkin needs to fight seven times this year, knock out all fringe contenders so the only ones left in 2015 are the usual suspects.

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    • revs1227
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      #102
      Originally posted by IronDanHamza
      That's a head scratcher, to me.

      I had Chavez winning comfortably and he's the draw so I have no idea what the judges were watching.

      And Chavez truley did pummel Lee and beat him up badly.
      but he didnt ...almost everyone had lee ahead at the time of stoppage i think chavez just had like 30 lbs on lee also ....
      At the weigh-in for the bout, representatives of Andy Lee requested that the gloves of Chavez be weighed to make certain they were at the agreed-upon weight. The request was denied by Texas Commission Sports Inspector Robert Tapia. Lee's manager, Perry Mandera, then asked Chavez's trainer Freddie Roach to weigh the gloves in the spirit of fairness. "He pushed past me and said, 'We don't have to, so we're not going to," according to Mandera.

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        #103
        Does it really matter what Lee did before he got blasted by Fake Jr almost 2 years ago.

        This just isnt a good fight. Is what it is

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          #104
          Originally posted by WilkinsOlajuwon
          This "top blah blah" crap has got to stop. Judge the MAN not his ranking. Its ketchup on rotten meat. Sometimes fighters choose bad opponents and its not the end of the world to call a spade a spade.
          If I thought he was a bad opponent, that's what I would say. I don't think Kirkland is a good opponent for example. Lee's not a bad opponent in the eyes of many, particularly given the paucity of alternatives.

          As to the lists, sports fans like rankings and tables. In boxing I think they play an important role in terms of providing clarity with the multitude of belts on offer today.

          Originally posted by WilkinsOlajuwon
          Does it really matter what Lee did before he got blasted by Fake Jr almost 2 years ago.

          This just isnt a good fight. Is what it is
          That's your own personal opinion, I think you need to leave room for the opinions of others. It's a good fight considering what else there is on the table .
          Last edited by Weebler I; 02-06-2014, 11:45 AM.

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            #105
            Originally posted by revs1227
            but he didnt ...almost everyone had lee ahead at the time of stoppage i think chavez just had like 30 lbs on lee also ....
            At the weigh-in for the bout, representatives of Andy Lee requested that the gloves of Chavez be weighed to make certain they were at the agreed-upon weight. The request was denied by Texas Commission Sports Inspector Robert Tapia. Lee's manager, Perry Mandera, then asked Chavez's trainer Freddie Roach to weigh the gloves in the spirit of fairness. "He pushed past me and said, 'We don't have to, so we're not going to," according to Mandera.
            He absolutely did.

            He beat the **** out of Lee by the end of it and your reasoning as to why here further confirms it.

            I can understand people having Lee ahead (I don't see it) but I can understand it because it wasn't a blow out but to say that Chavez didn't put a beating on him is just plain denial.

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              #106
              Originally posted by revs1227
              but he didnt ...almost everyone had lee ahead at the time of stoppage i think chavez just had like 30 lbs on lee also ....
              At the weigh-in for the bout, representatives of Andy Lee requested that the gloves of Chavez be weighed to make certain they were at the agreed-upon weight. The request was denied by Texas Commission Sports Inspector Robert Tapia. Lee's manager, Perry Mandera, then asked Chavez's trainer Freddie Roach to weigh the gloves in the spirit of fairness. "He pushed past me and said, 'We don't have to, so we're not going to," according to Mandera.
              It was also a pretty small ring iirc and there was talk over an issue with the canvas. Nevertheless, Lee was up in the fight.

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                #107
                Originally posted by Weebler I
                It was also a pretty small ring iirc and there was talk over an issue with the canvas. Nevertheless, Lee was up in the fight.
                What difference does it make to the fact that he took a beating?

                He did end up getting destroyed by Chavez like being claimed.

                It's similar to saying Cotto didn't get destroyed by Margarito because he was ahead at the time.

                I understand that Cotto took a lot more damage but if Andy Lee had any real durability he'd have looked in a similar state if he could take Chavez punches for another 4 rounds after that.

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                  #108
                  Originally posted by Weebler I

                  That's your own personal opinion, I think you need to leave room for the opinions of others. It's a good fight considering what else there is on the table .
                  A C student in a class of D students is #1, but when he leaves class he is still just an average student.

                  That's not cause for praise.

                  That's not opinion.
                  Last edited by WilkinsOlajuwon; 02-06-2014, 12:16 PM.

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                    #109
                    Originally posted by Weebler I
                    It was also a pretty small ring iirc and there was talk over an issue with the canvas. Nevertheless, Lee was up in the fight.
                    Weebler you are placing more emphasis on the lead up rather than the finish. whether lee was up or not is a matter of opinion. whether he got KTFO is not.

                    Its cool if you want to see GGG fight. I get that. But everything you've ever posted about competitiveness of fights and quality of opposition is at play here.

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                      #110
                      Originally posted by The Big Dunn
                      Weebler you are placing more emphasis on the lead up rather than the finish. whether lee was up or not is a matter of opinion. whether he got KTFO is not.

                      Its cool if you want to see GGG fight. I get that. But everything you've ever posted about competitiveness of fights and quality of opposition is at play here.
                      You've said he got destroyed, now you're saying he got KTFO'd. The guy finished the fight on his feet, up on the cards.

                      The whole reason you said that about Chavez was to give the impression Lee wasn't on his level, but it wasn't true, he was more than competitive against a guy with everything stacked in his favour.

                      Golovkin v Lee is a decent fight, and pretty good option given the lack of alternatives.

                      Originally posted by WilkinsOlajuwon
                      A C student in a class of D students is #1, but when he leaves class he is still just an average student.

                      That's not cause for praise.

                      That isnt opinion.
                      And it's not boxing either.
                      Last edited by Weebler I; 02-06-2014, 12:19 PM.

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