The Golovkin Legend

[fish262]

He beats the best fighters that have the courage to fight him. He also has the best amateur record in history with 345 wins and only 5 losses and you can't pick your opponents in the amateurs. He has 10 successful defenses of his world titles, all by KO. He has the best KO percentage of any world champion. He is ranked #1 by Ring Magazine, Boxrec, Boxing Scene and just about every other organization that ranks fighters. Do they all have brain rot too??? Martinez must see something good about GGG. He has been Martinez's #1 challenger for two years and Martinez avoids him like the plague. If GGG ever loses a fight then your opinion will have some validity to it. As long as he keeps knocking everybody out I think he is the best fighter alive today and I am going to continue to enjoy being a GGG fan.

Pretty sure Lomenchenko and Rigo have better amateur records. Ward never lost in the amateurs and won gold as well. Rigo was the only fighter to win 100 fights in a row and he did it twice.

Evhen Khytrov had an 80% KO in the amateurs.

[boliodogs]

LOOKING through boxing's middleweight greats, watching the careers of boxers like Marvin Hagler and Bernard Hopkins were great achievements for the 160lb division.

Kazakhstan's Golovkin is currently 29-0 (26KOs). Apparently, he has the highest KO ratio in the division's rich history, and some observers predict his greatness may supercede the middleweight greats of yesterday.

BUT a quick glance at Golovkin's padded resume shows a roster of sub-standard opponents. His notable victories probably come against Macklin and Ouma! And his power aside, he doesn't appear outstanding to me.

I therefore wonder how this type of brain rot spreads through the boxing community? The hype surrounding Golovkin reminds of the same bubble that was around Matthyse - and we saw what happened there.

The mildest of suggestion that Golovkin is as ring savvy or near accomplished to the division's true greats ought to be considered an indictment for fraud.

Right....Martinez has had two fights in the last two years...one where he beat the WBC champion and took back the belt that was stolen from him and the other one against a top 10 contender who many thought should also be a champion after fighting Sturm.

You make it sound like Sergio has been scrambling around trying to find anyone and everyone besides GGG to fight when the truth is he has been on the sidelines not fighting anyone for the most part due to injuries and surgeries, which I assume is why so many GGG enthusiasts want this fight so badly right now.

He could be fighting GGG right now instead of fat little Cotto. How long does the number 1 contender have to wait for a title shot? When he gets through beating up Cotto do you really think Martinez will fight GGG next. I sure as hell don't think so. So yes, my opinion is Martinez is ducking GGG and will NEVER fight him. Hagler or Hopkins would have already have fought GGG if they were the champ. If he was injured and he can't fight I can understand that. But when he is ready to go he still keeps his top challenger on hold while he fights a non middleweight. I do think Martinez will fight anyone and everyone before he fights GGG. I think that is very clear.

[boliodogs]

Pretty sure Lomenchenko and Rigo have better amateur records. Ward never lost in the amateurs and won gold as well. Rigo was the only fighter to win 100 fights in a row and he did it twice.

Evhen Khytrov had an 80% KO in the amateurs.

I am not an expert on amateur fighters but 345 wins to only 5 losses is the best I have ever heard of. He is only losing about 1 amateur fight out of every 70 fights. He beat some guys that have done well in the pros. If someone has a better record than 345 wins to 5 losses then what is their record. I am a big Rigo fan and think he is also great. What was his amateur record and what was Ward's record?

[fish262]

Yeah he beat Daniel Geale, Andy Lee, Dirrell, Lucian Bute (KO) few more cant remember.

[boliodogs]

I did a check of Ward's amateur record and he had 115 wins and 5 losses. That falls way short of GGG's 345 wins to 5 losses so I'll stay with my original statement that GGG has the best amateur record in history unless someone can show me a better amateur record.

[mathed]

He could be fighting GGG right now instead of fat little Cotto. How long does the number 1 contender have to wait for a title shot? When he gets through beating up Cotto do you really think Martinez will fight GGG next. I sure as hell don't think so. So yes, my opinion is Martinez is ducking GGG and will NEVER fight him. Hagler or Hopkins would have already have fought GGG if they were the champ. If he was injured and he can't fight I can understand that. But when he is ready to go he still keeps his top challenger on hold while he fights a non middleweight. I do think Martinez will fight anyone and everyone before he fights GGG. I think that is very clear.

So it's OK for Golovkin to fight virtual scrubs but Martinez must fight the number #1 guy coming off a hiatus of over a year and multiple surgeries and injuries? You don't think your perspective is skewed even the slightest bit?

To put it in perspective, Martinez had to wait at least two years to fight HIS #1 mandatory, Chavez, who had his belt stolen from Martinez and gifted to him. Furthermore, Sergio has the WBC belt and Golovkin isn't even ranked by them.

And Sergio had to move up in weight because he was the mandatory to Vernon Forrest and Forrest (RIP) refused to fight him so he made the move to 160.....maybe GGG should take note.

[fish262]

I did a check of Ward's amateur record and he had 115 wins and 5 losses. That falls way short of GGG's 345 wins to 5 losses so I'll stay with my original statement that GGG has the best amateur record in history unless someone can show me a better amateur record.

Rigos was 475 fights with 12 losses.

vasyl lomachenko career record of 396-1, with his only loss avenged twice.


Sorry Ward hasn't lost a fight since he was 12. So those 5 loses came before he was 12.

[Plutonium]

Pretty sure Lomenchenko and Rigo have better amateur records. Ward never lost in the amateurs and won gold as well. Rigo was the only fighter to win 100 fights in a row and he did it twice.

Evhen Khytrov had an 80% KO in the amateurs.

Ward's amateur record 115–5, GGG's 350-5.

[mathed]

Rigos was 475 fights with 12 losses.

vasyl lomachenko career record of 396-1, with his only loss avenged twice.


Sorry Ward hasn't lost a fight since he was 12. So those 5 loses came before he was 12.

Andre Ward:
Amateur Highlights

Amateur Record: 114-5
2001 United States Amateur Middleweight Champion
2003 United States Amateur Light Heavyweight Champion
2004 Qualified as a light heavyweight for the United States Olympic Team. Results were:
Defeated Jacob Garretson (RSCO-3)
Defeated Yukence Andino (RSCO-3)
Defeated Marcus Johnson (17-7)
Defeated Marcus Johnson (16-11) at the Box-offs
2004 Light Heavyweight Gold Medalist for the United States at the Olympics in Athens, Greece. Results were:
1st round - Bye
2nd round - Defeated Clemente Russo (Italy) (17-9)
Quarterfinals - Defeated Evgeny Makarenko (Russia) (23-16)
Semifinals - Defeated Utkirbek Haydarov (Uzbekistan) (17-15)
Finals - Defeated Magomed Aripgadjiev (Belarus) (20-13)

[Plutonium]

Rigos was 475 fights with 12 losses.

vasyl lomachenko career record of 396-1, with his only loss avenged twice.


Sorry Ward hasn't lost a fight since he was 12. So those 5 loses came before he was 12.

He fought less compared to other GGG, Rigo or Lomachenko. You don't lose if you don't fight