lewis is a top 10 atg heavyweight

[BattlingNelson]

Marciano's legacy is bigger than Joe Louis'. I'm not talking about who they beat, nor some mythical rankings, I'm talking about what they have left behind and what are they known for. Louis is relatively unknown to the people outside of boxing. Almost every kid knows Rocky Marciano. Isn't that a legacy?

Say what? Louis has the longevity record and the record for most title defenses. At ANY weight. Marciano is known for his undefeated record.

Louis and Marciano holds the two most important and famous records in boxing and for that they might be equally well known, but in terms of legacy its really a no contest. It'll be Louis by a mile.

[LacedUp]

Marciano's legacy is bigger than Joe Louis'. I'm not talking about who they beat, nor some mythical rankings, I'm talking about what they have left behind and what are they known for. Louis is relatively unknown to the people outside of boxing. Almost every kid knows Rocky Marciano. Isn't that a legacy?

Wow this is just not true in any way, shape or form.

[Stallion_]

Say what? Louis has the longevity record and the record for most title defenses. At ANY weight. Marciano is known for his undefeated record.

Louis and Marciano holds the two most important and famous records in boxing and for that they might be equally well known, but in terms of legacy its really a no contest. It'll be Louis by a mile.

I understand that. They are both past, there is no "might" about them anymore. When I mentioned legacy I didn't mean on the boxing world (in which people make cases for both of these boxers), I am generally talking about the world and what they had left behind. Rocky Marciano was never beaten, he won all of his fights. The history says Rocky Marciano defeated Joe Louis. How many people will go there and check if Louis was actually past his best? Not many, and not many will care about that either.

Legacy is not about who you beat. It's people on boxing forums and websites that count that on such a high level, and that's where I first encountered that kind of approach. I am saying that the things Rocky Marciano left behind him are more recognized in the world than the things Joe Louis left behind him.

[BattlingNelson]

I understand that. They are both past, there is no "might" about them anymore. When I mentioned legacy I didn't mean on the boxing world (in which people make cases for both of these boxers), I am generally talking about the world and what they had left behind. Rocky Marciano was never beaten, he won all of his fights. The history says Rocky Marciano defeated Joe Louis. How many people will go there and check if Louis was actually past his best? Not many, and not many will care about that either.

Legacy is not about who you beat. It's people on boxing forums and websites that count that on such a high level, and that's where I first encountered that kind of approach. I am saying that the things Rocky Marciano left behind him are more recognized in the world than the things Joe Louis left behind him.

This is just wrong on so many levels.

[Boxing Goat]

Yes, no doubt about it. Not only that, I think he wins most all time H2H matchups when properly motivated.

[Boxing Goat]

You put Marciano down as greater than Joe Louis.

I'm sorry, but your opinion is worthless to me.

You have Gene Tunney as higher than Larry Holmes, despite him being a career LHW - the weightclass he should have truly been ranked in.

I agree. Tunney won like 3 heavyweight fights and arguably lost the rematch to Dempsey. I'm not even sure he's even top ten.

Lewis is top 5 for me. Yes, he lost two massive title fights but he avenged them and fought almost everybody there was to fight in his era aside from prime Tyson and Bowe and it wasn't like he didn't try and make those fights.

[Boxing Goat]

Ali, Louis, Foreman, Holmes, Johnson.

Ali, Louis and borderline Holmes. Foreman and Johnson, no way.

[jas]

ali would have beaten lewis for sure

[Boxing Goat]

This is 2014, stop living in the past like a caveman. Lewis got the better resume, any idiot and genius alike can see that, the only ones who can't are guys from the past who thinks JOU LOUIS is better than Lennox Lewis? Think, man, THINK. Check their resumes, it's ridicolous to compare them, Lewis is a class higher.

Joe Louis is the greatest heavyweight of all time. Lennox would have beaten him H2H but it doesn't change the fact that he was 26-1 in title fights with 25 consecutive wins.

[Boxing Goat]

ali would have beaten lewis for sure

I'm not 100% convinced of that.