Regarding Molina-Kirkland, why is this ignored like it never happened?

[bojangles1987]

Tell me exactly how many times Wlad clinched Pov.... Exact number.. Do you even know

It was something close to 200. People actually counted.

[BoxingGenius27]

It was something close to 200. People actually counted.

You spend more time talking about Wlad-Pov than you do about Molina's cheating tactics.

If I remember correctly, you predicted Molina to win before the fight. Is this why you have yet to acknowledge this blatant foul fest and feel Molina was robbed despite cheating?

[BoxingGenius27]

Molina leads with clinches that's a rarity within itself, people talk about other spoilers but who else does that as excessively? I heard of throwing lead punches then tying up but who the fuck leads with clinches? On top of that Molina will hold on to you and then proceed to walk you into a different corner of the ring. Even the most popular spoilers don't do that shit.

I mean it was blatant... Some posters in this thread act like it never happened or Kirk should've done some kind of legal tactic to stop it.

[BoxingGenius27]

I look at it as a good strategy by Molina to neutralize Kirkland's one dimensional attack. Its the ref's job to enforce it but he didn't. Since he didn't, it was Kirkland's job to fight out of the clinches and work instead of letting that **** continue. Try to clinch Miguel Cotto like that and see what happens.

Molina did what gave him the best chance to win and he was on his way to doing just that.

Mayweather is the best tactician in boxing, but without Joe Cortez stopping Hatton from clinching, there was nothing Mayweather could do but fall to the ropes and stare at Cortez.

[UTEP]

This is no worse then Hopkins, Ward, and Wlad.


Molina lost this fight so I don't see what the big deal is. Hopkins, Ward, and Wlad win fights like this.

[bojangles1987]

You spend more time talking about Wlad-Pov than you do about Molina's cheating tactics.

If I remember correctly, you predicted Molina to win before the fight. Is this why you have yet to acknowledge this blatant foul fest and feel Molina was robbed despite cheating?

You're the one who brought up Wlad/Povetkin and said Molina/Kirkland was worse, when it damn well wasn't.

Molina was robbed. We don't know what would have happened those last two rounds, and he was disqualified because the ref was an incompetent jackass. There are a **** ton of fights like this or worse. It's not fun to watch, but if a fighter isn't being told to stop, why should he? You're basically b*tching because Kirkland wasn't good enough to deal with Molina's clinching.

[ReadyUp]

No ones's debating that he wasn't winning the fight at the time of the stoppage. Show me where anyone says that?

What we're saying is he blatantly cheated en route to winning. How can you disagree with that?

The video is on the first page. Yes, Molina was winning, but he was clearly cheating at the same time and rightfully got what was coming to him because of the DQ

Tim Bradley blatantly cheats with his headbutts.
Floyd Mayweather blatantly cheats by using his elbow.
blah blah blah.

A fight is a fight man. Molina fought a tricky, technical fight and used clinching to an advantage. And he FOUGHT excellent in the process....this wasn't Akinwande/Lewis were all Henry Akinwande did was clinch AND got DQ'd for it.


The bottom line was everyone knows Molina won that fight.

[BoxingGenius27]

You're the one who brought up Wlad/Povetkin and said Molina/Kirkland was worse, when it damn well wasn't.

Molina was robbed. We don't know what would have happened those last two rounds, and he was disqualified because the ref was an incompetent jackass. There are a **** ton of fights like this or worse. It's not fun to watch, but if a fighter isn't being told to stop, why should he? You're basically b*tching because Kirkland wasn't good enough to deal with Molina's clinching.

Name the schit ton of fights that are worse than this? I'd really love to hear your long list.

So the ref is a jackass for DQ'ing Molina at the end of the 10th, but was right for not DQ'ing Molina for 118 clinches... Oh Kirk should've found a way to combat the fouls?

So let me ask you this. Should Pov have used some kind of legal tactic to stop Wlad?

Did you complain about the Wlad fight or not?

[Doctor_Tenma]

You're the one who brought up Wlad/Povetkin and said Molina/Kirkland was worse, when it damn well wasn't.

Molina was robbed. We don't know what would have happened those last two rounds, and he was disqualified because the ref was an incompetent jackass. There are a **** ton of fights like this or worse. It's not fun to watch, but if a fighter isn't being told to stop, why should he? You're basically b*tching because Kirkland wasn't good enough to deal with Molina's clinching.

It would have been a travesty if Molina had gotten the decision and gotten away with it. I feel that either way the whole situation would have left a bad taste in my mouth.

[bojangles1987]

Name the schit ton of fights that are worse than this? I'd really love to hear your long list.

So the ref is a jackass for DQ'ing Molina at the end of the 10th, but was right for not DQ'ing Molina for 118 clinches... Oh Kirk should've found a way to combat the fouls?

So let me ask you this. Should Pov have used some kind of legal tactic to stop Wlad?

Did you complain about the Wlad fight or not?

Wlad does this every fight. Devon Alexander beat Maidana doing the exact same thing. Hopkins does it all the time. Ward did it against Kessler and Green and Bika.

The ref was a jackass the whole night. If he wasn't, he would have said something to Molina to stop the clinching, or taken points. Just lkfe if he was competent, he wouldn't have disqualified Molina in that moment.

And damn straight Povetkin could have done something about the clinching if he was good enough. Why does it have to be legal? He could have stopped falling into the clinch. He could have fouled Wlad. He could have timed Wlad when Wlad lunged to clinch without throwing punches first. He wasn't good enough.

Kirkland is supposed to be the tougher, stronger fighter right? Muscle your way out of that clinch, get nasty. That's how other fighters deal with it.