Regarding Molina-Kirkland, why is this ignored like it never happened?

[ReadyUp]

So you advocate the position that Molina was robbed and should've won?

Yes he was absolutely robbed.

And it's laughable that people are saying he was seriously hurt. Carlos was up at like the 3 or 4 count and walking around completely clearheaded. Texas straight up robbed Molina of that victory.

Was the clinching a problem? Yes. Was it illegal? No. This wasn't the first time that tactical clinching was performed....watch Tyson/Holyfield for ****s sake.

And why your at it why don't you show a video of all the right hands Molina was bouncing off Kirkland's head too? Because that's what I remember most.

[BoxingGenius27]

I look at it as a good strategy by Molina to neutralize Kirkland's one dimensional attack. Its the ref's job to enforce it but he didn't. Since he didn't, it was Kirkland's job to fight out of the clinches and work instead of letting that **** continue. Try to clinch Miguel Cotto like that and see what happens.

Molina did what gave him the best chance to win and he was on his way to doing just that.

Molina cheated and the ref was incompetent on both ends.

And who has tried to clinch Cotto the way Molina did Kirk? Who?

Maybe Cotto should fight Molina and we'll see how he neutralizes a wrestling match.

[BoxingGenius27]

Yes he was absolutely robbed.

And it's laughable that people are saying he was seriously hurt. Carlos was up at like the 3 or 4 count and walking around completely clearheaded. Texas straight up robbed Molina of that victory.

Was the clinching a problem? Yes. Was it illegal? No. This wasn't the first time that tactical clinching was performed....watch Tyson/Holyfield for ****s sake.

And why your at it why don't you show a video of all the right hands Molina was bouncing off Kirkland's head too? Because that's what I remember most.

You need to learn the rules of boxing because blatant clinching is not legal... Never has been and never will be.

[jas]

How was it disgraceful? If we're talking Karma here, Molina getting DQ'd fit perfectly since he just blatantly cheated the entire fight.

BTW, the ishida fight happened before the Molina fight. I don't know how you can have karma come back around on you from the future

my bad. molina fight seemed longer away than it was because kirkland went to jail again.

ggg will knock kirkland out.

and should bhop have been disqualified by now for holding?

[ReadyUp]

You need to learn the rules of boxing because blatant clinching is not legal... Never has been and never will be.

The referee can choose to take points if he finds it necessary.
But clinching can be worked into a fight. I agree it was excessive but he was whupping Kirkland's ass too. Clinching alone won't win you a fight.

Molina was beating Kirkland's ass. Even Ann Wolfe told Carlos "you won the fight." after the DQ. I'll take her opinion over yours.

[.:: JSFD26 ::.]

Can't wait for Kirkland to go back to obscurity again.

Kirkland this and Kirkland that. You sleep with Kirkland at night too dude? 3somes with Wolf?


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[BoxingGenius27]

Points (s) should have definitely been deducted. I still feel he was unjustifiably DQ'd but I'll say this, I think it's messed up that people consider that a victory for Molina. Kirkland had a lot of momentum going and Molina was seriously hurt, none of us know how that would have ended.

I agree. I feel like Molina being DQ'd made up for the blatant cheating he got away with during the fight.

At least the ref was incompetent on both ends

[.:: JSFD26 ::.]

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Originally Posted by BoxingGenius27

So you advocate the position that Molina was robbed and should've won?

Yes he was absolutely robbed.

And it's laughable that people are saying he was seriously hurt. Carlos was up at like the 3 or 4 count and walking around completely clearheaded. Texas straight up robbed Molina of that victory.

Was the clinching a problem? Yes. Was it illegal? No. This wasn't the first time that tactical clinching was performed....watch Tyson/Holyfield for ****s sake.

And why your at it why don't you show a video of all the right hands Molina was bouncing off Kirkland's head too? Because that's what I remember most.

Golden Boy did. Kirkland was a GB fighter at the time and they screamed for the DQ. They needed an opponent for Canelo.


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[bojangles1987]

Not even close? It takes the cake.

Besides, Wlad-Pov lasted over 12 rounds, Kirk-Molina only had 10 rounds

So Molina would have had to clinch 70 more times in two rounds to match Wlad against Povetkin.

[BoxingGenius27]

The referee can choose to take points if he finds it necessary.
But clinching can be worked into a fight. I agree it was excessive but he was whupping Kirkland's ass too. Clinching alone won't win you a fight.

Molina was beating Kirkland's ass. Even Ann Wolfe told Carlos "you won the fight." after the DQ. I'll take her opinion over yours.

No ones's debating that he wasn't winning the fight at the time of the stoppage. Show me where anyone says that?

What we're saying is he blatantly cheated en route to winning. How can you disagree with that?

The video is on the first page. Yes, Molina was winning, but he was clearly cheating at the same time and rightfully got what was coming to him because of the DQ