Before you call any boxer a quitter........

[tonyjones]

I agree calling fighters quiters and cowards is a step too far but they are prize fighters so are there to open to criticism like and any other sportsman

[Rockin']

I'm not even that much of a Victor Ortiz fan but it clearly shows most of you lot have never stepped into the ring before calling fighters quiters even though you've never even properly sparred before . You never know ortiz's head could have been spinning and he might not have known where he was when he was in the ring cos it was a great shot that collazo hit him with or he might have decided to quit we don know so just stfu once in a while and show boxers respect cos they re the ones putting their lives on the line for your entertainment. Boxing has some of the most ******est fans ever.

Amen tadat2.................. Rockin'

[Doctor_Tenma]

I'm not even that much of a Victor Ortiz fan but it clearly shows most of you lot have never stepped into the ring before calling fighters quiters even though you've never even properly sparred before . You never know ortiz's head could have been spinning and he might not have known where he was when he was in the ring cos it was a great shot that collazo hit him with or he might have decided to quit we don know so just stfu once in a while and show boxers respect cos they re the ones putting their lives on the line for your entertainment. Boxing has some of the most ******est fans ever.

I am fully convince Ortiz sold it to some of you. Jump to 2:38, this is all I could find on Youtube,



You can clearly see that he was conscious enough in attempting to dodge Collazo's last two punches, Ortiz was not out of it. Victor sat there and watched himself get counted out, all without making an attempt to get up. It's time people stopped defending him....

[Weebler I]

I am fully convince Ortiz sold it to some of you. Jump to 2:38, this is all I could find on Youtube,

You can clearly see that he was conscious enough in attempting to dodge Collazo's last two punches, Ortiz was not out of it. Victor sat there and watched himself get counted out, all without making an attempt to get up. It's time people stopped defending him....

He instinctively turned away from Collazo after a monster shot to the jaw, he knew he had to get out of there. His jaw isn't right, I heard a while back it didn't heal properly and twitter is awash with rumours right now that he had trouble finding a doctor to clear him to fight. He possibly could have got up, but at what cost? Ricky Burns has permanent numbness in his mouth from fighting on and his speech is altered. Ortiz made the right call, as did Alvarado and Dawson when they ended their bouts.

[Rockin']

I am fully convince Ortiz sold it to some of you. Jump to 2:38, this is all I could find on Youtube,



You can clearly see that he was conscious enough in attempting to dodge Collazo's last two punches, Ortiz was not out of it. Victor sat there and watched himself get counted out, all without making an attempt to get up. It's time people stopped defending him....

you are clueless and ignorant as to what you are saying. Your guy talking in the video is just as ignorant about it as you are.

you two don't know ****, just bull**** opinions thrown from the comfort of your recliner. You haven't even a single clue as to what Ortiz may have been dealing with. ****in' ignorant fools, all with keyboards, the internet and way too many uneducated (or ignorant) opinions................ Rockin'

[Check]

you are clueless, worst thing that you've written so far.

If you thought that the job that you were doing was getting out of hand and you believed that you were seriously in danger of death or a serious brain injury would you clock back in after lunch? Or would you just go home until everything is straightened out so that you could work there another day?......... Rockin'

Why would you get a job that there is even a chance of being in danger of death or serious brain injury?

You're just plain wrong. This is boxing and there is dangers, hence why the ones that get far in this sport are rewarded well. Ortiz is a quitter and there is no problem being critical of a boxer.

[Doctor_Tenma]

He instinctively turned away from Collazo after a monster shot to the jaw, he knew he had to get out of there. His jaw isn't right, I heard a while back it didn't heal properly and twitter is awash with rumours right now that he had trouble finding a doctor to clear him to fight. He possibly could have got up, but at what cost? Ricky Burns has permanent numbness in his mouth from fighting on and his speech is altered. Ortiz made the right call.

Maybe, maybe not. I don't knock quitting entirely, in some cases it's justifiable and in others it's not. Alvarado-Provodnikov, Cotto-Margarito those were justified. The thing is, I'm strictly debating the fact that he might have been out of it when clearly he wasn't, he tried to dodge the last two punches, he knew exactly what was going on but instead he chose to sit there and hear the ref count him out.

[eye guy]

A boxer who's been floored and actually attempts to get up, stumbling and what not, is actually trying. Even in that state they still inderstand their purpose and are willing to near die for it.

A boxer wincing in pain from a body shot, rolling around on the mat and crying, has failed but has also tried.

A boxer who has a swollen face with cuts the size if their eyes and with blood pouring out of their head is someone who is trying to achieve their goal, win, lose or draw, through whatever circumstance.

A boxer who has the ability to rest on his/her knees but fails to even attempt to rise to the occasion, is unfortunately a quitter... If at least for that fight.

[Check]

He instinctively turned away from Collazo after a monster shot to the jaw, he knew he had to get out of there. His jaw isn't right, I heard a while back it didn't heal properly and twitter is awash with rumours right now that he had trouble finding a doctor to clear him to fight. He possibly could have got up, but at what cost? Ricky Burns has permanent numbness in his mouth from fighting on and his speech is altered. Ortiz made the right call, as did Alvarado and Dawson when they ended their bouts.

So one shot and the jaw wasn't right? Why didn't he notice this in sparring, or was Ortiz so focused on collecting a paycheck he didn't care? Ortiz is a fraud, quitter, and failed completely with the skills he was given.

[Rockin']

Why would you get a job that there is even a chance of being in danger of death or serious brain injury?

You're just plain wrong. This is boxing and there is dangers, hence why the ones that get far in this sport are rewarded well. Ortiz is a quitter and there is no problem being critical of a boxer.

I'll just add you to the list of the ignorant and the biased. Are you telling me that you know what Ortiz was experiencing? Are you telling me that you know what it is like to eat a clean shot like that and to have a ref counting over you. You guys have a lot of opinions yet don't know sheeeeit! Buncha fools ....................Rockin'