How big this loophole in USADA contract with Floyd and Golden Boy?

[radioraheem]

He looks strong and fast as ever against Canelo. And he was 36. He's about to turn 37.

You know how 37 year old athletes do in sports with actual drug testing? Nothing, because they tend to not exist. A 37 or 38 year old, in the sport of boxing, which is the sport that requires more stamina than any other sport, cannot compete without PEDS.

Hell, GB happily and greedily signs PEDS cheats all the time, Lamont Peterson? Did we hear a peep out of Floyd? Nope. All the promoters are essentially saying using PEDS aint a big deal. Just a part of boxing.

Boxing history has shown this over and over. That is, before PEDs came along. Then you got Martinez faster and stronger at age 37. You got JMM looking FAR leaner and muscular at age 40. AGE 40.

It's a vicious cycle now. There are those few that don't juice, but you can bet your ass almost every single pro fighter is juicing. And GB and TR encourage it by refusing to punish or criticize fighters who test for PEDs.

If your own promoters are encouraging PED use, why the hell wouldn't you use PEDS? The fighters not using PEDs are more ****** than courageous.

I disagree with you on some points. But what I like most about your post is that you call a spade a spade. There's no bias in you. I loved the fact you brought about Sergio Martinez! And then your last paragraph!

One thing with your post is that, I believe PEDs have been in boxing for quite some time. You can find it happening in the 80s and 90s too. Remember the mysterious black bottle and Aaron Pryor?

[BrokenHat]

Could Floyd be on PED's sure as anybody could; but his performances haven't been out the ordinary to make me say wow he may be juicing; his last couple of fights you can see him visibly tired in the late rds; his reflexes are a bit off also he's def not punching any harder. Martinez started boxing late which is why his prime lasted longer. Floyd takes care of himself better in between fights better than most boxers in history.

I know we'd all like Floyd to be the exception, just like everyone wanted Lance Armstrong to be the exception. I love Floyd, the dudes a genius.

Why wouldn't Floyd juice if he believes his opponents are? How do we know he thinks his opponents use PEDs? Because he has said so, and because he is never outraged, angered, or bothered when his own PR firm endorses and signs PEDs cheats like Peterson or Berto.

Floyds cool with it, because he knows virtually all these guys are on PEDs. If you categorically know you are not going to get caught using PEDs, and everything is on the line. Money, pride, health, fame, fortune, why wouldn't you use PEDs?

JMM is a clear case as it gets without getting caught red handed like Peterson.

[BUNGALOWS]

I disagree with you on some points. But what I like most about your post is that you call a spade a spade. There's no bias in you. I loved the fact you brought about Sergio Martinez! And then your last paragraph!

One thing with your post is that, I believe PEDs have been in boxing for quite some time. You can find it happening in the 80s and 90s too. Remember the mysterious black bottle and Aaron Pryor?

Wait, so who founded VADA? I want some clarification.

[radioraheem]

Is this supposed to prove something, other than Memo not wanting JMM to test under VADA? Literally the worst twitter argument you could have used. Victor Conte sponsors fighters that are under VADA, ya moron.

Again, how does this help your argument that Victor Conte is the founder of VADA? Other than him being an attention whore?

Yes, Victor Conte knows how to use Twitter, and sponsors Nonito Donaire, and is advertising the fact that Donaire is the only fighter in boxing that's actually doing 24/7/365 testing.

Are you on ****** PEDs?

It's self-explanatory. If he wasn't running things, he couldn't just sponsor basically any athlete he wants. He couldn't just tell Memo 'yeah I'll consider Marquez for sponsorship for year-round testing.'

Unless you think Conte independently does charity work, like a philanthropist.

[BUNGALOWS]

It's self-explanatory. If he wasn't running things, he couldn't just sponsor basically any athlete he wants. He couldn't just tell Memo 'yeah I'll consider Marquez for sponsorship for year-round testing.'

Unless you think Conte independently does charity work, like a philanthropist.

Dude, stop making me dish out ETHER.

http://www.boxingscene.com/victor-co...th-vada--71433

All you have to do is Google this stuff. You're too hard headed, boy. I'm not really tripping over some small stuff, but it's the principle in the matter.

Just admit that you were wrong, and we can go on like nothing happened.

[BrokenHat]

I disagree with you on some points. But what I like most about your post is that you call a spade a spade. There's no bias in you. I loved the fact you brought about Sergio Martinez! And then your last paragraph!

One thing with your post is that, I believe PEDs have been in boxing for quite some time. You can find it happening in the 80s and 90s too. Remember the mysterious black bottle and Aaron Pryor?

Yea, you're right. It's not a purely new phenomena, but they have new variants on PEDs, that aren't that new anymore really.

In boxing all they do is check if you've used the most basic anabolic steroids within the last 2-3 weeks from fight night.

That is why boxers categorically know they will not get caught; this is exactly what used to happen in the Olympics prior to 2004. Everyone knew the testing window. And if they do get caught, no one will care. What happened to Peterson, Berto, and Rios for getting caught. Absolutely nothing.

If anything, Peterson has been rewarded. He got to keep his belt. Lost his next fight, still kept his belt. And the win. And he gets signed by the biggest promoters in boxing.

The professional boxing community is endorsing PED use with a huge stamp, and a lot of these guys don't come from money. So when everything you hold dear is on the line, and you think your opponent is cheating, and this is your ONLY shot at real money, why wouldn't you use PEDs?

Every single one of us would use PEDs in this situation. There are the few fighters with sensational amateur pedigrees who start to tapper off when they reach 30, that I believe probably didn't use PEDs.

Almost everyone in cycling and running was on peds, over 90%. In god damned cycling! In boxing the incentive to juice is waaaaaaay higher.

The reason this happens is, because boxing is minority sport, so the congress doesn't give a $h!t like they did in baseball, or cycling, where the audience is uniformly white.

[radioraheem]

Dude, stop making me dish out ETHER.

http://www.boxingscene.com/victor-co...th-vada--71433

All you have to do is Google this stuff. You're too hard headed, boy. I'm not really tripping over some small stuff, but it's the principle in the matter.

Just admit that you were wrong, and we can go on like nothing happened.

Ether?

I've already shown enough. The fact is, the first time anyone ever heard of VADA publicly is through Victor Conte. Not Margaret Goodman. This is a fact.

Conte tries to deny his VADA associations, but he has to in order for VADA to be taken seriously. Because if it was really known that he was heavily involved, their reputation would've been dead before it could take off. Goodman has to deny it too, just like she had to deny that Rios peed into a glass.

Even though there is footage out there showing Rios taking pisses near dirty boxing rings in public, in front of media and strangers. Testers not even using gloves when they are about to take his blood. Lots of unprofessionalism. And this is not to say that Rios isn't guilty as sin.

[edgarg]

In school they taught us look for keywords in phrases; and the keyword in all of this is rumor

I think that the "key-words" are "...drug-testing community..." These people talk to one another, know each other well, and exchange little bits of info. not normally know to the "outside world". But... they are human beings.... Secrets are very rarely completely kept when the human factor is involved.

[edgarg]

Yea, you're right. It's not a purely new phenomena, but they have new variants on PEDs, that aren't that new anymore really.

In boxing all they do is check if you've used the most basic anabolic steroids within the last 2-3 weeks from fight night.

That is why boxers categorically know they will not get caught; this is exactly what used to happen in the Olympics prior to 2004. Everyone knew the testing window. And if they do get caught, no one will care. What happened to Peterson, Berto, and Rios for getting caught. Absolutely nothing.

If anything, Peterson has been rewarded. He got to keep his belt. Lost his next fight, still kept his belt. And the win. And he gets signed by the biggest promoters in boxing.

The professional boxing community is endorsing PED use with a huge stamp, and a lot of these guys don't come from money. So when everything you hold dear is on the line, and you think your opponent is cheating, and this is your ONLY shot at real money, why wouldn't you use PEDs?

Every single one of us would use PEDs in this situation. There are the few fighters with sensational amateur pedigrees who start to tapper off when they reach 30, that I believe probably didn't use PEDs.

Almost everyone in cycling and running was on peds, over 90%. In god damned cycling! In boxing the incentive to juice is waaaaaaay higher.

The reason this happens is, because boxing is minority sport, so the congress doesn't give a $h!t like they did in baseball, or cycling, where the audience is uniformly white.

Peterson was stripped on one of his belts, right away. I think the IBF.

[youth]

Could Floyd be on PED's sure as anybody could; but his performances haven't been out the ordinary to make me say wow he may be juicing; his last couple of fights you can see him visibly tired in the late rds; his reflexes are a bit off also he's def not punching any harder. Martinez started boxing late which is why his prime lasted longer. Floyd takes care of himself better in between fights better than most boxers in history.

I disagree, i see lots of things going on in boxing that isn't ordinary. I have stated this before, too many veteran are still pfp. If it was a single case of Floyd himself i could buy that but its not. pfp list is full of fighters in other era's would have been retired already, hw division is ruled by veteran fighters also, which again i have no problem with that just we need to ask these governing bodies what the purpose of these testing. To protect fighters from other fighters or them selfs? If its to protect fighters from other fighters makes fighters go natural, no shakes, no nothing cause why would it be ok to achieve the same results if done in a differnt way, the other fighter still going take that beating. If its against them self, let them take what they want its their life. The system as it is doesn't make alot of sence, your consider clean if you test 400% or less to normal levels, some places more.