Why didn't Dariusz Michalczewski & RJJ ever fight?

[Knicksman20]

Jones said he bought what at the time was over the counter Creatine. And Hall also tested positive for something. That was the only time Jones ever tested positive for anything. They pulled Creatine off the shelves eventually.

I thought it was Ripped Fuel.

[robertzimmerman]

Yeah, but as I understood it there was no guaranteed fight with Roy which probably was a major issue. I mean why should DM leave a truckload of money behind in Europe without a guaranteed subsequent moneyspinner against Jones?

Do you think that Kohl would have agreed to let DM fight on a double header, without there being an agreement to fight Roy after?

[robertzimmerman]

Kohl did try to get Jones to Germany multiple times. Jones flat out refused to go.

Roy made it clear that he didn't want to go to Germany.

In 2001, he said "I don't think a knockout would be enough over there!"

But Kohl would never sit down with HBO to discuss terms for Dariusz to fight in the U.S.

Again, go and look at his resume. It's quite clear what his intentions were.

[Ham Porter]

STOP WITH THE BULLSHT!!!!!!!!!!!! I followed EVERY single article and every single bit of information for years regarding this! Jones NEVER asked for 20 -25 million, that is CRAP you are pulling out of your ass!

The prospects for a Dariusz Michalczewski bout are "$20-25 million to fight him in Germany. After what happened in Korea, that's what I need. He barely beat Richard Hall. They can say linear all they want to. Who got a win over James Toney, Reggie Johnson, Vinny Pazienza, and Hopkins? He don't wanna fight these guys."

Jones had zero, zilch, absolutely no interest in going to Germany, regardless of how much money was on the table.

http://a.espncdn.com/boxing/a/2002/0904/1427215.html

[SplitSecond]

mical refused to fight out of germany, he wanted the p4p king to fight in his backyard

mical and co. were content dodging roy

[BattlingNelson]

Or maybe he was happy selling Dariusz as the guy who "the best fighter in the world is scared to face." And then have him fight Jones leftovers and look horrible in the process.

Since we are speculating, it might also have been Jones's team knowing that Jones had a jaw of crystal.

[BattlingNelson]

Do you think that Kohl would have agreed to let DM fight on a double header, without there being an agreement to fight Roy after?

Absolutely not. I think I've made that quite clear.

[BattlingNelson]

I thought it was Ripped Fuel.

Yeah. That's what Jones said. The substance (or product) was never disclosed though. All we know is that it was a steroid. Hell it could have been testosterone.

[robertzimmerman]

Absolutely not. I think I've made that quite clear.

Of course not.

But you've asked the question, why would Dariusz and Kohl have agreed to the proposed double header, without a guaranteed shot at Roy afterwards?

But the point I'm making, is that no negotiations ever took place, because Kohl refused the mere proposal of it.

Now it seems obvious to me, that if HBO had brought Dariusz over to the U.S. to fight on Roy's card, to both introduce him to the U.S. public, and to hype the fight, then of course they would have been an agreement/contract that both fighters would have met afterwards.

There's no way that Davis and HBO would have gone to the trouble and expense, to not have them meet afterwards.

It seems to me, that you're implying that if HBO had offered a guaranteed shot at Roy afterwards, along with the proposed double header, then things may have turned out different?

But there's no evidence to support that theory.

Because we know that Davis first tried to negotiate for a fight and only came up with the proposed double header, because Kohl was never available.

Also, we know that Kohl flat out refused the idea.

It seems clear to me, that they had no intentions of going to the U.S. regardless.

[IMDAZED]

Since we are speculating, it might also have been Jones's team knowing that Jones had a jaw of crystal.

Not like Dariusz's painfully slow punches would've ever found it. Dariusz's chin wasn't too hot either for that matter.