Why didn't Dariusz Michalczewski & RJJ ever fight?

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Sept. 2003. With nearly 30 athletes, mostly Olympians and baseball players. And the only boxer being Shane Mosley.

So around the time Roy and Evan stopped negotiating.

[IMDAZED]

So around the time Roy and Evan stopped negotiating.

Stopped negotiating, not stopped fighting. Since Holyfield fought (at HW) a month later. And Roy fought a month later as well.

But we've established that they had nothing to do with BALCO so carry on.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Stopped negotiating, not stopped fighting. Since Holyfield fought (at HW) a month later. And Roy fought a month later as well.

But we've established that they had nothing to do with BALCO so carry on.

Yeah, Evan got KO'd by a former middleweight and Jones suddenly looked awful.

Logic would dictate that after one of the biggest drug scandals in the sport broke, a lot of athletes would become wary even if they weren't named in it.

[IMDAZED]

Yeah, Evan got KO'd by a former middleweight and Jones suddenly looked awful.

Logic would dictate that after one of the biggest drug scandals in the sport broke, a lot of athletes would become wary even if they weren't named in it.

Oh so now your theory is that they heard about BALCO and they stopped roiding for fear they too might get caught (one already had). Got it.

[BattlingNelson]

It would've been a two-fight deal.

Yeah, but as I understood it there was no guaranteed fight with Roy which probably was a major issue. I mean why should DM leave a truckload of money behind in Europe without a guaranteed subsequent moneyspinner against Jones?

[BattlingNelson]

Both fighters had huge ego's and didn't want to budge. I'm not really giving anyone a pass.

But it's a flat out lie that Dariusz tried to get Roy in the ring for 6 years, and he was happy to fight in the U.S. He wasn't, and his resume reflects that.

With regards to the double header, it was only proposed via fax, because Davis couldn't get hold of Kohl via phone, and couldn't arrange a meeting to get the ball rolling.

Now I would guess that Dariusz wouldn't have gotten anywhere near the amount of money he was getting in Germany, fighting on a double header with Roy.

But Kohl never mentioned anything about the money, he instead said that Dariusz was a proud champion, and was too big to fight on anybody's undercard. But Dariusz had a decision to make. Did he take less money to fight on a double header, to eventually get a huge shot at Roy, for every belt at LHW? Or did he just carry on doing what he was doing? Those were his options, and he obviously picked the latter. In my opinion, it wasn't worth the risk for Dariusz to give up his great pay days in Germany.

But after the double header was turned down, there was no more negotiations to my knowledge. Kohl never said that they were willing to negotiate for a fight with Roy in the U.S. Things just seemed to fizzle out.

That to me, showed exactly what their intentions were.

Kohl did try to get Jones to Germany multiple times. Jones flat out refused to go.

[IMDAZED]

Yeah, but as I understood it there was no guaranteed fight with Roy which probably was a major issue. I mean why should DM leave a truckload of money behind in Europe without a guaranteed subsequent moneyspinner against Jones?

I don't know where this "no guaranteed fight" thing comes from. Probably Kohl. The whole point was for him to get US exposure to fight Jones. It's like when Canelo demanded a guarantee he would get Mayweather after Trout and Mayweather refused. Simply because in boxing there are too many variables to pigeon-hole yourself like that.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Oh so now your theory is that they heard about BALCO and they stopped roiding for fear they too might get caught (one already had). Got it.

My theory never changed.

[IMDAZED]

My theory never changed.

That's nice.

[Achille]

This is a myth about what happened to Roy as he didn't actually put on any significant weight but was rather just not making a cut for 1 fight, also if it was so harmful to his performance explain why he went down to 169 even later to fight Tito and was fine in the fight?

I now realize Roy was a ducker taking safer fights and was threatened by Dariusz who was after all the real LHW champion at the time.

How is it a myth when The guy that bulked RJJ to fight Ruiz has said it caused some damage.

I can't post the site name on here but you can google the quotes from the interview.

June 12, 2008
EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW: MACKIE SHILSTONE
By Krishen Rangi


How much of an issue is a fighter moving up taking the naturally bigger guy's shots. What have Spinks, Jones, Hopkins, guys like that said about their ability to absorb punches at higher weights?

I don't know of any fighter in the business of taking punches. Depends on the fighter if he has the power to take the punches. It's as much mental as it is physical. In the Jones/Ruiz fight we wanted to break his nose, that was the plan. We knew Ruiz had broken his nose in the Holyfield fight, and Roy broke his nose in the 6th round. He couldnt breathe out of it after that.


What happened to Roy Jones when he went back down to light-heavyweight to fight Tarver after you had helped him move up and beat Ruiz for the heavyweight title?

You have to remember Roy is such a talented athlete. The muscle that was put on is very difficult to take off. It was a very tough fight. Draining to anyone but he ended up winning. The same thing happended to Tarver when he did the Rocky movie. He was in the 220s then he came down and he was compromised against Bernard. I would have liked to see Roy stay at heavyweight, and I told him that. I think Roy would have beaten Tyson. I think Roy would have beaten Holyfield, but the fights weren't there. Muscle is not easy to take off, it affects your immune system.


How much did Roy weigh for the Ruiz fight?

200 lbs.


There was a story circulating he had weights in his pocket and he really weighed 193.

Before we went down for the weigh-in we were all kidding what Roy would weigh. Roy had been in the range of 199-200. What happned was Roy got on the scale and a fight broke out between Alton Merkerson and Ruiz's camp. Mark Ratner who was doing the weigh-in never let the scale adjust because the fight had broke out. I know Mark, and told him that's not his weight you should correct it. When Roy went to the hotel room and got on the scale he was laughing and saying "I can't believe it". He takes his shirt off and steps on the scale, and this is on the documentary ESPN did called "The Sweet Science". Mark Ratner was there too. I told him to call HBO so they wouldn't think it was rebound weight and they mentioned that on the broadcast.