Keith Thurman vs Manny Pacquiao.

[Kuyukut]

I'm a big Thurman fan as most people know BUT Pacquiao is just too much and too fast. Punches from all angles, power in both hands... And I'll make a little pause here, Thurman has some serious problems sometimes not seeing the shots coming. Even the slow Soto Karass surprised him with one. Moving on... Pacquiao's speed will seriously trouble Thurman and before he knows it those stinging shots will be coming in flush.

Pacquiao is just too fast, too good, too experienced.

Thurman does beat Floyd though, Floyd is nowhere near as dangerous as Pacquiao is. One Time will walk down Floyd and smother him with punches until Floyd quits.

Three things cannot be long hidden: the sun, the moon, and the ^^^^ truth right here.

[Weebler I]

And can we be completely honest. Does a fighter like Chaves land that much on Pacquiao? HELL NO......

C'mon guys. Don't overate Thurman to the point where he gets annoying.

No, but obviously fights aren't just about defence either. Thurman could probably take whatever Pacquaio throws, but does Pac take what Thurman throws? Pacquiao's not the biggest ww, but Thurman is a huge puncher, I think he catches him at some point.

[BUNGALOWS]

No, but obviously fights aren't just about defence either. Thurman could probably take whatever Pacquaio throws, but does Pac take what Thurman throws? Pacquiao's not the biggest ww, but Thurman is a huge puncher, I think he catches him at some point.

Could Pac take what Cotto threw? Could Pac take what Margarito threw? Could Pac take what Clottey tried to throw? Could Pac take what Mosley threw?

I don't think Thurman is a bigger puncher than Pac, at all. And if you're talking about a fire fight. No one has straight up gotten the better of Pac in an exchange, other than a master counter puncher, and combination monster in JMM.

And also, Thurman is afforded the luxury of picking and choosing his power shots on guys like Chaves, Zaveck, Karass. He doesn't have the same luxury with a moving target, that's faster than him, and can throw shots that he doesn't see coming, at a furious pace.

[Godsfly]

Thurman has good distance and timing against non movers like Zaveck, Chaves, and Soto Karass. Great wins, but not even close to the level that Pac is, which is what we're discussing. Independent of him fighting Pac, I think he's an absolute stud, and he's Floyd's biggest challenger, other than Pac.

Now, onto some technicalities. Thurman does keep good space, and can move well, but he only really lands the power, when he sets his feet, and jumps you. His jab isn't all that either. It's his ability to cover short distance with his feet, then ambush you. Sort of like Pac, except Pac is much quicker, and uses much better head movement.

When you said, "catches Pac relaxing", are you referring to when PEDs JMM caught Pac with the right hand in the 3rd round? Other than that, I've never seen someone outright catch Pac while he was relaxing.

You make him sound like a Danny Garcia level timer, because his style is ambush, and he's fighting slow plodders. Let him get into a high speed chess match with a guy like a younger JMM, or a Pac. Your eyes ain't used to that level of boxing until you've faced it, and in Thurman's case, he'd be facing that for the first time against Pacquiao.

OK, I have no doubts Chvaes would catch Pac, but what does that matter? Chaves is the one that's dealing with the huge speed deficit, and can't let his hands go like he'd want to, because of that. You make it sound like, "boom, Chaves caught him, game over, Pac loses."

You fail to realize the problems that Pac poses to Chaves.

clottey caught pac (when he opened up) cotto, bradley, marquez, (even margarito) pac is not hard to time and catch....it's more about keeping up with his work rate (do you even watch the guy?) everyone knows that pac has never been the hardest to catch. it's more about keeping up with him..........a prime pac had a blazing work rate but it's badly faded now. with his work rate lower & punch resistance lower his handlers would have to be fools to put him in the ring with a guy like thurman. Thurman has the hunger, timing, & power to end pac.............I also don't think pac would just run in with 3 & 4 combos with thurman. thurman will hit him hard square on the money & gain some respect in the first 3 rounds...........you are dreaming if you think pac would just be running in against thurman.

[BUNGALOWS]

clottey caught pac (when he opened up) cotto, bradley, marquez, (even margarito) pac is not hard to time and catch....it's more about keeping up with his work rate (do you even watch the guy?) everyone knows that pac has never been the hardest to catch. it's more about keeping up with him..........a prime pac had a blazing work rate but it's badly faded now. with his work rate lower & punch resistance lower his handlers would have to be fools to put him in the ring with a guy like thurman. Thurman has the hunger, timing, & power to end pac.............I also don't think pac would just run in with 3 & 4 combos with thurman. thurman will hit him hard square on the money & gain some respect in the first 3 rounds...........

You replied to my post that had nothing to do with Manny being the GOAT defensive fighter. I was clearly replying to your comment about Thurman catching Pac while he was relaxing. I've never seen someone catch him while he was relaxing. I've seen them catch him in the middle of exchanges.

I was clearly pointing out the fact that you have no idea how Thurman actually fights.

In terms of name recognition to reward ratio, yes, it would be dumb to put Manny in the ring with Thurman. But on a H2H basis, no consequences whatsoever, just to see who's the better fighter. Manny wins. It's as simple as that.

[Godsfly]

mmmmmm hmmmmmm.......

That's why I was in the Thurman against Chaves thread, and you specifically called his win over Zaveck an overrated win, and even called Thurman overrated.

And if you're really keeping it 100. You know damn well, I was one of the few people that were riding the Thurman bandwagon far before his win over Soto Karass.

I swear I was probably the first person to rock a Thurman sig. Then the rest of NSB pops up with a bunch of Thurman avys after his win over Karass.

I swear to God, you said his win over Chaves was overrated as well.

Stop lying, dude!!!

post the thread & comment............Thurman & Chaves thread? why the hell would i be talking about zaveck in a Thurman chaves thread? matter fact.........didn't even post in any thruman vs chaves threads (only the master threads when the fight was taking place) wtf is this guy talking about.......put the alcohol down bro. you look drunker the fitty cent

[BUNGALOWS]

post the thread & comment............Thurman & Chaves thread? why the hell would i be talking about zaveck in a Thurman chaves thread? matter fact.........didn't even post in any thruman vs chaves threads (only the master threads when the fight was taking place) wtf is this guy talking about.......put the alcohol down bro. you look drunker the fitty cent

It was way back. I remember it was a discussion about Thurman/Chaves. I swear, you said Thurman was overrated, and his win over Zaveck was overrated, because we were talking about how Thurman and Chaves was a very good fight.

I swear it was you. My post history doesn't reach that far back, but I wish it did.

[Godsfly]

You replied to my post that had nothing to do with Manny being the GOAT defensive fighter. I was clearly replying to your comment about Thurman catching Pac while he was relaxing. I've never seen someone catch him while he was relaxing. I've seen them catch him in the middle of exchanges.

I was clearly pointing out the fact that you have no idea how Thurman actually fights.

In terms of name recognition to reward ratio, yes, it would be dumb to put Manny in the ring with Thurman. But on a H2H basis, no consequences whatsoever, just to see who's the better fighter. Manny wins. It's as simple as that.

I've seen pac caught while he was bobbing and weaving (that mike tyson impression thing he use to do) I've seen pac caught while he was on the ropes. jumping in, all of the above.........bradley only started catching pac when he was resting (people use to complain about this. people were actually angry at pac because of this & his handlers just said "well pac just gets bored in there and falls to sleep sometimes") again.......do you even watch pac? you don't even know who he is bro (his style that is)


wow

[Godsfly]

It was way back. I remember it was a discussion about Thurman/Chaves. I swear, you said Thurman was overrated, and his win over Zaveck was overrated, because we were talking about how Thurman and Chaves was a very good fight.

I swear it was you. My post history doesn't reach that far back, but I wish it did.

you're flat out lying............heres your problem. i remember everything. you just can't make up some crap and expect me not to know what you're talking about. pull up each and every one of thurmans threads (use the boxing search engine) and you will not find those comments in ether one of them............

[-Huey-]

I didn't him in general, I meant his NAME. Like every time you hear his name, you just know you're gonna see some noobs talk about, "he's the best, he's taking over".

And guess what, I was one of the first ones to rep Thurman, when everyone was saying how he's OVERRATED. And guess what? It was all the Floyd fans like pigsfly, and them that were saying that.

Oh, the bandwagoners...

I know what you mean. The guy is good, but not yet one of the elite.