fastest punch!

[Tony Blitz]

Mayweather vs. Ayala, never seen a left thrown so fast before. I'll have footage once putfile is done with maintenance.

[ItWasWritten]

about the phantom punch...there's no way that punch was clean enough to knock Liston out. I think Liston-Ali 2 was fixed (both fights actually) because Liston had debt troubles and Liston-Ali 2 was his way of still receiving all the money, and showing the world that the first fight was just a sham.

Early in his career, Ali was weak at heart and almost quit in the first fight against Liston then Dundee threw him out there and that ended up being the chance that Ali "KOed" him.

It's sad Liston had a ******** problem, he could of been the second coming of Joe Louis.

[LostGuy]

about the phantom punch...there's no way that punch was clean enough to knock Liston out. I think Liston-Ali 2 was fixed (both fights actually) because Liston had debt troubles and Liston-Ali 2 was his way of still receiving all the money, and showing the world that the first fight was just a sham.

Early in his career, Ali was weak at heart and almost quit in the first fight against Liston then Dundee threw him out there and that ended up being the chance that Ali "KOed" him.

It's sad Liston had a ******** problem, he could of been the second coming of Joe Louis.

i refuse to buy into that. i see your argument and all but i just dont buy that the fights were fixed even though i know a lot of people think the 2nd one definitely was. i could maybe see the 2nd fight as fixed but first fight wasnt fixed.

i think the phantom punch landed and hurt liston but probably not as bad as it looked. liston probably just quit on the ground basically and didnt want to go on. ali didnt need fights fixed for him so i refuse to believe that.

[ItWasWritten]

I just find it funny how in the round Ali wants to quit he knocks out Liston in the first fight. And anyone who has watched another fight of Liston know that WASN'T him in there. He was fighting tentative, almost no jab (had the best in the business!), weak power shots, no head movement. Say wahat you want, but it's fishy when a guy loses twice controversially & he has ties to the mob and is in financial trouble.

[LostGuy]

I just find it funny how in the round Ali wants to quit he knocks out Liston in the first fight. And anyone who has watched another fight of Liston know that WASN'T him in there. He was fighting tentative, almost no jab (had the best in the business!), weak power shots, no head movement. Say wahat you want, but it's fishy when a guy loses twice controversially & he has ties to the mob and is in financial trouble.

maybe it seems fishy but i think it is just a coincidence. that's my opinion. i know mob has been involved and its not at all out of the question. i guess more than anything i really hope it isnt true.

[ItWasWritten]

one thing I'm sure we can both agree on is that wasn't Liston on that night.

[butterfly1964]

bump......

[realheavyhands]

what is the fastest punch in boxing history?

Muhammad Ali, The Greatest...“He Has No Business Being As Fast As He Is.”


By: Monte D. Cox




Muhammad Ali was more than just a fighter he was a symbol of the 1960’s, a revolutionary figure who was a voice of civil rights, the anti-Vietnam war movement, and the Nation of Islam. Despite the political symbolism that surrounded his career, love him or hate him, there can be no denying that Muhammad Ali was a truly great fighter once the bell rang. He was three times heavyweight champion of the world (1964-1970, 1974-1978, 1978-1979) and dominated the better part of two decades of the heavyweight division. He made a total of 19 successful title defenses.

The Muhammad Ali of 60’s was the fastest heavyweight ever. In the May 5, 1969 Sports Illustrated, Ali’s jab was measured with an omegascope. Ali’s jab, it was found, could smash a balsa board 16.5 inches away in 19/100 of a second. It actually covered the distance in 4/100 of a second, which is the blink of an eye. Jimmy Jacobs, who owned the world’s largest collection of fight films, said that on film tests with a synchronizer Ali’s jab was faster than that of Sugar Ray Robinson. Jacobs contended that Ali was not only the fastest heavyweight, but also the fastest fighter he ever saw on film.

Marv Jenson, who managed Gene Fullmer, concurred saying, “Ali has the fastest hands on any heavyweight I have ever seen.”

Bob Foster, the world light-heavyweight champion agreed, saying, in an interview after their fight, “He has no business being as fast as he is. I never saw that right hand.”

Author John Durant described him as having “lightning fast hands and a pair of legs that moved around the ring like a ballet dancer. He would float just out of range with his hands dangling at his side as if to taunt his opponent.” Ali made a lot of mistakes in the ring such as dropping his hands low, holding his right hand out too far when he jabbed so he could not block a jab in return, telegraphing his right uppercut by dropping his right hand, and completely neglecting body punching. However Ali, in his prime, was able to out-speed his mistakes. Eddie Futch commented, “Ali takes his mistakes, shows them to you, and then beats you with them.” Ali got away with his mistakes because of his astoundingly quick reflexes, speed of foot, and uncanny ability to gauge distance.

Ali danced gracefully across the ring, his lateral movement and fleetness of foot made him the master of ring center. Ali’s judge of distance was also phenomenal. He divided the ring into “safety zones” and “danger zones.” In a demonstration done in a boxing ring for Sports Illustrated, (See May 5, 1969 SI), with sparring partner Lee Carr, when Ali was in a “safety zone” he appeared to be in a position to be easily hit, especially with his hands dangling down at his side. That’s what Carr thought. He decided that a left jab would be long enough to reach him. Ali smugly held his ground and with a slight move of his head Carr’s jab fell two inches short. “I can move in on him,” said Carr, “but I can’t seem to get to him.”

Historian Don Cogswell wrote, (IBRO Journal # 81), “Muhammad Ali, in his first title reign, presented such a speed disparity between contestants as to appear supernatural. The flurry that dropped a befuddled Brian London in the third frame, the right that stopped an earnest Zora Folley in the 7th, presented by the right that immediately preceded it (seen by Angelo Dundee and a few others,) suggested that Ali was operating in another time zone.”

Ali refused induction into the Army in 1967 and went into forced exile losing three and a half of his best years as a fighter. When he returned his legs were not what they once were. Ali, fighting more flat-footed than before, revealed some never before tested traits such as heart, determination, and the ability to take a heavy punch.


heres the link http://coxscorner.tripod.com/ali.html

[beez721]

Muhammad Ali, The Greatest...“He Has No Business Being As Fast As He Is.”


By: Monte D. Cox




Muhammad Ali was more than just a fighter he was a symbol of the 1960’s, a revolutionary figure who was a voice of civil rights, the anti-Vietnam war movement, and the Nation of Islam. Despite the political symbolism that surrounded his career, love him or hate him, there can be no denying that Muhammad Ali was a truly great fighter once the bell rang. He was three times heavyweight champion of the world (1964-1970, 1974-1978, 1978-1979) and dominated the better part of two decades of the heavyweight division. He made a total of 19 successful title defenses.

The Muhammad Ali of 60’s was the fastest heavyweight ever. In the May 5, 1969 Sports Illustrated, Ali’s jab was measured with an omegascope. Ali’s jab, it was found, could smash a balsa board 16.5 inches away in 19/100 of a second. It actually covered the distance in 4/100 of a second, which is the blink of an eye. Jimmy Jacobs, who owned the world’s largest collection of fight films, said that on film tests with a synchronizer Ali’s jab was faster than that of Sugar Ray Robinson. Jacobs contended that Ali was not only the fastest heavyweight, but also the fastest fighter he ever saw on film.

Marv Jenson, who managed Gene Fullmer, concurred saying, “Ali has the fastest hands on any heavyweight I have ever seen.”

Bob Foster, the world light-heavyweight champion agreed, saying, in an interview after their fight, “He has no business being as fast as he is. I never saw that right hand.”

Author John Durant described him as having “lightning fast hands and a pair of legs that moved around the ring like a ballet dancer. He would float just out of range with his hands dangling at his side as if to taunt his opponent.” Ali made a lot of mistakes in the ring such as dropping his hands low, holding his right hand out too far when he jabbed so he could not block a jab in return, telegraphing his right uppercut by dropping his right hand, and completely neglecting body punching. However Ali, in his prime, was able to out-speed his mistakes. Eddie Futch commented, “Ali takes his mistakes, shows them to you, and then beats you with them.” Ali got away with his mistakes because of his astoundingly quick reflexes, speed of foot, and uncanny ability to gauge distance.

Ali danced gracefully across the ring, his lateral movement and fleetness of foot made him the master of ring center. Ali’s judge of distance was also phenomenal. He divided the ring into “safety zones” and “danger zones.” In a demonstration done in a boxing ring for Sports Illustrated, (See May 5, 1969 SI), with sparring partner Lee Carr, when Ali was in a “safety zone” he appeared to be in a position to be easily hit, especially with his hands dangling down at his side. That’s what Carr thought. He decided that a left jab would be long enough to reach him. Ali smugly held his ground and with a slight move of his head Carr’s jab fell two inches short. “I can move in on him,” said Carr, “but I can’t seem to get to him.”

Historian Don Cogswell wrote, (IBRO Journal # 81), “Muhammad Ali, in his first title reign, presented such a speed disparity between contestants as to appear supernatural. The flurry that dropped a befuddled Brian London in the third frame, the right that stopped an earnest Zora Folley in the 7th, presented by the right that immediately preceded it (seen by Angelo Dundee and a few others,) suggested that Ali was operating in another time zone.”

Ali refused induction into the Army in 1967 and went into forced exile losing three and a half of his best years as a fighter. When he returned his legs were not what they once were. Ali, fighting more flat-footed than before, revealed some never before tested traits such as heart, determination, and the ability to take a heavy punch.


heres the link http://coxscorner.tripod.com/ali.html

never thought I'd say this to you,,,but nice post ali was one fast mofo in his prime

[shawn_]

I dont understand how people can still doubt the "phantom punch". If you watch the video, you can clearly see the shockwave ripple through Ali's arm and body as the punch connects. Listons front foot gets lifted off of the canvas by the punch.

Could he have gotten up? Probably. Did he want to? Absolutly not. Liston was a bully, and Ali stood up to him. He took his heart, and will to fight.

Ali caught Liston on the temple with the "Phantom" punch, wich messes with your equilibrium. His falling down was real. Ali stealing his will to fight was real. Ali beat Liston physicaly, but more importantly he beat him mentaly.