Comments Thread For: Showtime Prez: Mayweather-Pacquiao, Not With Top Rank

[maguirre]

I've always thought it's about the testing. Now it's about the promoters. Hehe... Keep fooling 'em Floyd.

[turnedup]

He wouldn't be taking less money. He'd probably make more money by stepping aside. He gets whatever percentage of Manny's purse that they've agreed on. Plus, he'd receive a step aside fee. He still gets his allotment of tix. He still gets to have his Top Rank banners plasted all over the promotion. The only thing that would change is that he physically be involved in making the fight. They're basically paying him to go away.

As for why didn't Schaefer accept the same deal from Arum in regards to Donaire-Mares? I don't know. But I would assume for many of the same reasons Arum won't accept one now. EGO.

At the end of the day. Arum, Pac, and all involved on Manny's side need to realize is that Manny is the B-side. Manny is the opponent. And he's probably gonna have to bend over to get this fight. And to real, Manny has no one to blame but himself. He ****ed around and ****ed around. And then got his ass kicked, and lost bargaining power. Then, he PPV sales went way down. And he lost even more leverage. So if Floyd is truly who he wants. He's gonna have to do what he has to do.

What do you imagine being his step aside fee? Not nearly as much as he'd make from co-promoting that much I can bet you. What price do you put on having yourself removed from the single biggest entertainment event in your sports business..$5 million, $10 million..how much is it worth to remove your company brand from the promotion of said event another $10 million? So you think they are going to pay Arum the same amount of money and news coverage value he'd get by promoting or co-promoting. I think not. He's got a contract on his fighter and isn't going to take a dime less than he's entitled to. I wouldn't and nor would any intelligent business person. Don King made his Legacy off the rumble in the jungle..all the money in the world can't buy you that sort of claim to fame. Manny cannot be considered a B side of anything because regardless of how you look at it there isn't a boxer in the sport who will bring the audience he brings to the table to face Floyd..Canelo vs Floyd did good numbers and he doesn't have a fraction of the fanbase Pacquiao has..so if Canelo got you 2 million buys how many more buys does a person with a bigger base bring you? Floyd ain't bringing 2 million with Khan, or garcia, or porter, or thurman, or ggg, or martinez, or cotto...so who else? I dont care about past numbers if you think Pacquaio fans aren't all going to buy this fight then you are wrong. I haven't personally bought a ppv in years and that's a fight I would buy for sure.

[hitking]

It's because Floyd doesn't want the fight. It's THAT simple. Showtime has already signed Floyd to a contract and they are protecting their investment. They cannot force a boxer to fight someone. It has to be mutual. You have to be a real idiot to not understand simple business and how they're trying to sell a Khan fight to the public.

And you, along with most of these ****** mu****as, have to be a real idiot to think that Showtime is gonna assist Floyd in making them lose a ****load of money.

[HeroBando]

He wouldn't be taking less money. He'd probably make more money by stepping aside. He gets whatever percentage of Manny's purse that they've agreed on. Plus, he'd receive a step aside fee. He still gets his allotment of tix. He still gets to have his Top Rank banners plasted all over the promotion. The only thing that would change is that he physically be involved in making the fight. They're basically paying him to go away.

As for why didn't Schaefer accept the same deal from Arum in regards to Donaire-Mares? I don't know. But I would assume for many of the same reasons Arum won't accept one now. EGO.

At the end of the day. Arum, Pac, and all involved on Manny's side need to realize is that Manny is the B-side. Manny is the opponent. And he's probably gonna have to bend over to get this fight. And to real, Manny has no one to blame but himself. He ****ed around and ****ed around. And then got his ass kicked, and lost bargaining power. Then, he PPV sales went way down. And he lost even more leverage. So if Floyd is truly who he wants. He's gonna have to do what he has to do.

Look, before JMM 4 ever happened, Pac was offered 40m all included. Arum's share would be less than what he made on JMM 3. Pac would get like 10% more than his JMM wage. That's for the biggest money of all time. You don't get to be a top promoter for that long if you take ridiculous deals like that

[The Gambler1981]

Arum works for HBO not the other way around..the worker does not dictate to the employer and the person cutting the checks. Just like Schaeffer and Oscar can only suggest things to Espinoza but not demand them. GBP got it's rise on HBO..the showtime deal is brand spanking new and they were #1 before jumping to Showtime so that argument makes zero sense..hell HBO was still giving guys like Broner easy payday's in the Gavin Rees and Demarco bouts. If an agent shortened you...again back to the fantasy that Floyd is owed money from the Gatti fight..the lack of lawsuit indicates that's pure speculation and untrue. Considering Floyd was in the hole to the IRS himself and nearly bankrupt I doubt he wouldn't have sued the living shhh out of Arum for his money and guess what he didn't. He also had ties to Top Rank until the last bell of the Oscar fight.

Arum is the drug dealer and HBO is the client~ Arum has the talent and HBO needs the talent if they want to show boxing. Arum doesn't work for HBO he sells stuff to HBO, now HBO can choose what to buy but they need to buy from him so they have no real leverage over him. With other guys they can force stuff much easier because they only have a guy or two HBO cares about so they can tell them to screw off.


Floyd has had a case against Arum pending against since he left Top Rank it is just sitting out there to my knowledge it has never got settled, so go back and check out that stuff before you run your mouth about stuff you don't know about.

[Beercules]

Mayweather-Pacquiao ain't a superfight... nothing but a mismatch

Manny lost twice being huge favourite on the bouts, then fighting lowskilled bum Rios

Pacquiao should fight Bradley at 147 either Lara at 154 before even talk of Floyd

You don't know **** about boxing

[Slip Stream]

Well then you got my REAL POINT in this. Everyone saying Arum should take money to step aside..like Schaeffer would. I'm glad someone here understands this isn't about the fighters at all and never really was. I don't understand the issue in co-promoting since both benefit hugely from it and make a mint from it as well. You can go right back to hating each other after that and we wouldn't care at all. I would rather be half the equation to the biggest moment in a sport I do business with than none at all.

I completely agree, it has never had anything to do with the fighters, its fans that bring their passions here to NSB and conflate their frenzy with sterile business practices. Both sides are very greedy and don't give a **** about the fans, yet some on here want to make this all about Mayweather, his character, where he hangs out and what he says off the cuff. Boxing is a nasty business from a fan's perspective because there's this mythical epic fight out there that we want to see that in all likelihood will never happen.

[hhs661]

Good for Showtime for taking this stance. I'm glad they're not going back to Arum after he stated that "no one watches them.. they're 2nd, so who cares?"

Well, I'm sure a lot has changed since he said those statements about a network nobody cares about.

[hitking]

What do you imagine being his step aside fee? Not nearly as much as he'd make from co-promoting that much I can bet you. What price do you put on having yourself removed from the single biggest entertainment event in your sports business..$5 million, $10 million..how much is it worth to remove your company brand from the promotion of said event another $10 million? So you think they are going to pay Arum the same amount of money and news coverage value he'd get by promoting or co-promoting. I think not. He's got a contract on his fighter and isn't going to take a dime less than he's entitled to. I wouldn't and nor would any intelligent business person. Don King made his Legacy off the rumble in the jungle..all the money in the world can't buy you that sort of claim to fame. Manny cannot be considered a B side of anything because regardless of how you look at it there isn't a boxer in the sport who will bring the audience he brings to the table to face Floyd..Canelo vs Floyd did good numbers and he doesn't have a fraction of the fanbase Pacquiao has..so if Canelo got you 2 million buys how many more buys does a person with a bigger base bring you? Floyd ain't bringing 2 million with Khan, or garcia, or porter, or thurman, or ggg, or martinez, or cotto...so who else? I dont care about past numbers if you think Pacquaio fans aren't all going to buy this fight then you are wrong. I haven't personally bought a ppv in years and that's a fight I would buy for sure.

Correct me if I'm wrong. But doesn't a promoter get a contracted percentage from the fighter for promoting the fight? If so, how would Arum not being physically involved in promoting the fight change or lessen that? Whether he physically co-promotes the event or not. Won't he get his contracted percentage of Manny's purse?

BTW, I'm dead serious. I'm not completely sure about this.

[BIGBOXINGFAN]

Ya'll read some quote that said Arum owes money to Floyd and have run that into the ground..If Arum owed Floyd money then why did Floyd still give up a percentage of his earnings to top rank for his fight with Oscar? The rest of which he used to buy himself all the way out of his contract with Top Rank. Considering Floyd has been to court how many times over the past few years..if he was owed money how come a judge hasn't said "He owes him money". Just because someone says something does not make it true..we can only go by what is documented and there is zero documentation that shows Arum owes Floyd a single dime. Yet there is documentation of Floyd's exit from top rank. I don't know one person on earth who could be owed millions of dollars all these years and wouldn't have gone to court for it.

Not a quote but actual video of Floyd himself saying that Bob owes him money for the Gatti/Judah PPv's.

Also Floyd DID NOT pay Bob a single dime from his Delahoya fight earnings.
In fact Floyd bought out his contract with Bob before the baldomir fight.
Goosen promoted that fight for floyd.

And yes you can owe someone money by hiding the true numbers of the PPV sales.
Floyd didn't know the insides and outs of the business back then.
He was similar to how Pacquiao is now. You think Bob is truthful in all his business dealings with his fighters?

Yeah right just ask Don king who like Bob are two greedy pigs.