Excluding Floyd/Ward, who else beats Rigo pfp and why please.

[IronDanHamza]

That's the standard the OP is using, beat a p4p guy and take his place in the rankings (or better)

Oh, well I don't think that at all.

If Maidana were to beat Floyd for example next May I wouldn't have him #1. Perhaps top 10 but not #1.

It's like Larry Merchant eloquently put it after Forrest beat Mosley; "Beating Tiger Woods doesn't make you Tiger Woods".

[Carpe Diem]

Let's not bull**** around. If Manny and Rigo were the same size fighting at the same weight division. Rigo would totally outclass Manny inside the ring.

[DannYankee]

Still needs to be seen Dann, we need to see him exposed to different styles against high quality opponents. The guy has been down a couple of times so not impossible to get to?

13 fights is even less than I thought, imo it's bit early to draw PFP H2H conclusions.

He had Bob arum put Donaire in his contract when he had just 10 fights or he wouldn't sign the contract, but it has been a breakneck speed rise which also is why he has no following he was never built up he came into pro boxing to prove he was the best but it has backfired almost hilariously in some ways all he has to do is keep winning tho.

I would love for him to keep fighting the best around the quality of opposition for a guy with 13 pro fights is insane. He has been down but mostly ****** stuff like when donaire caught him sleeping pulling away from the clinch that's just amateurish mentality that catches up with him once in a while but at least he proved he ain't chinny since he gets up and winds the round after getting planted on his butt. But my initial answer to this thread was based on the current state of the skills of the rest of the p4p guys out there if it would have been against some of those guys in their prime that's a different story Rigo is past his prime as well but it hasn't begun to show much yet.

[Bushbaby]

That's the standard the OP is using, beat a p4p guy and take his place in the rankings (or better)

No that, Hero Bando is a straight up ****ing lie. No where did I say anyone who beat anyone replaces their ranking. That's a lie and closer to your reasoning for trying to fit Pacman into the top 5 pfp because the consensus opinion is he beat Bradley.

My OP, short for opening post, is asking who the hell on the pfp list higher than Rigo would beat him if they were the same size. That's some delusional crap you just pulled.

[Carpe Diem]

so? just because someone is a counter-puncher they beat pacquiao?

barrera was a pretty good counter-puncher, cotto can counter-punch, bradley can counter-punch

pacquiao hurts everyone he faces, he will land on rigo and rigo has nowhere the chin of marquez, and for all we know rigo is really not down for a tough fight where his nose gets broken or he sustains an orbital fracture grinded up insides that has him feeling like he's about to die, we dont know if he has the heart to go through a war

to think rigo makes it easy with his chin, just wishful thinking, pacquiao is a speed demon, punches very hard, and likes to punch, he's tough as hell also, he's not gonna fold like agbeko

im not saying pacquiao can win for sure, but im positive rigo is hurt atleast, after that he might get stopped, pacquiao may have scored enough kd's to win, or rigo will have ran enough to win a very close decision(and run he will have to to beat pacquiao)

Defensively and in terms of pure technical skills, those guys weren't on Rigo's level. Movements and timing reduces Manny's punching output and Rigo would force him to think and fight at a slower pace(Marquez-Pacquiao III)(Pacquiao-Bradley). Stylistically, Rigo is a bad style match up for Manny. He has a better footwork than Manny, and he neutralize Manny's best weapons. All the flurries that Manny throws only works against stationary punching bags like Rios, Clottey, Margarito, or a drained Oscar. Too bad, we'll never get a chance to see a fight like this. If Rigo were a WW, he'd be Floyd's and Manny's Kryptonite.

[HeroBando]

No that, Hero Bando is a straight up ****ing lie. No where did I say anyone who beat anyone replaces their ranking. That's a lie and closer to your reasoning for trying to fit Pacman into the top 5 pfp because the consensus opinion is he beat Bradley.

My OP, short for opening post, is asking who the hell on the pfp list higher than Rigo would beat him if they were the same size. That's some delusional crap you just pulled.

So why are you reminding me Donaire was ranked higher than Bradley p4p (barely)? As if that bestows Rigo the same place (or better, as you're arguing) p4p. That, plus the "eye test".

Stll not sure how beating (dominating or else) an undefeated p4per is dismal, you never explained? And forgot to tell me where you have Bradley p4p.

[Carpe Diem]

he may be more skilful but he's not half the fighter marquez is, and you need to be tough as nails to beat pacquiao

How do you know Rigo isn't tough as nails? Rigo has all the tools to outpoint Manny without taking the amount of punishments that Marquez has taken against Manny. I'd say the only thing that Marquez does better than Rigo is throwing combination punches, but you can say that Marquez is arguably better at setting up his combos than Manny too.

[Bushbaby]

So why are you reminding me Donaire was ranked higher than Bradley p4p (barely)? As if that bestows Rigo the same place (or better, as you're arguing) p4p. That, plus the "eye test".

Stll not sure how beating (dominating or else) an undefeated p4per is dismal, you never explained? And forgot to tell me where you have Bradley p4p.

Because I was showing you you're own logic. It's all you've held unto. You still lied when saying that's OP's point cause it wasn't, nor isn't. There's no "eye test' involved in my opening post. Why don't you go read it instead of assuming?

[HeroBando]

How do you know Rigo isn't tough as nails? Rigo has all the tools to outpoint Manny without taking the amount of punishments that Marquez has taken against Manny. I'd say the only thing that Marquez does better than Rigo is throwing combination punches, but you can say that Marquez is arguably better at setting up his combos than Manny too.

Marquez might be much better at taking damage to deliver his own. You gotta be able to do that vs Pac. Maybe Rigo could, hard to tell on available evidence. But no doubt Pac is classes above Rigo's comp, past or near future

[IronDanHamza]

Marquez might be much better at taking damage to deliver his own. You gotta be able to do that vs Pac. Maybe Rigo could, hard to tell on available evidence. But no doubt Pac is classes above Rigo's comp, past or near future

Agreed.

I'm definitely not too quick to say Rigondeaux would beat Pacquaio.

Sure, he has tools that would post issues but I've not seen nearly enough to say he dominates or beats him.

Prime Pacquaio I'm talking about.