How valid is the GBP/TR excuse?

[Bushbaby]

Most people didn't give Maidana a chance. Look it up - all Broner by UD or late KO. Fact is, you can not say that this fight shouldn't happen because we already know the outcome. You honestly have no clue what could happen in the fight with the right game plan and execution.

The fight shouldn't happen because it's 4 years too late. I just said we already know the outcome to support that. You still cannot compare Floyd/Pacman to Broner/Maidana though.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

A couple years ago - I believe it was quoted on this site actually. I plan to do some digging on this.

And I suspect the reason is because it was Al who assisted Floyd in using his out clause and leaving Bob.

It's all jacked up. How many people here know that Stephen Espinoza (head of Showtime Sports) was also Oscar De La Hoya's lawyer when he took Arum to court to get out of his contract? Anyone? Bueller?

Let the child-like minions argue over "ducking" and other silly ****. It's a lot deeper than that.

please start a thread when your done digging, i would love to know what you turn up....

And yes i know that espinoza was Oscar's and GBP's lead counsel, and then he becomes the head of showtime, and instantly GBP takes over the network..

Please let me know what you find my man,, because your right, it goes much deeper than the normal ducking

[boliodogs]

So this tread is some twisted reasoning that a Pacman fan has of Floyd ducking Pacman? But the thing is Pacman can't beat Floyd and is a ****** fight right now. Ya'll keep asking for the fight 4 years too late. Do you like to be had?? If not stop acting like it.

I gave up on the Pacquiao-Mayweather years ago and I agree Mayweather should be favored to win off recent fights they both have had. I don't agree that Pacquiao can't beat Mayweather. Pacquiao is still damn good and he has a chance to beat any welterweight in the world including Mayweather. That's why so many fans still want Mayweather to fight Pacquiao. They think Pacquiao can beat him. Mayweather doesn't get to claim a win over Pacquiao until he beats him in the ring.

[daggum]

Well Factually, speaking for myself, I picked Maidana to beat Broner.

But I didn't say I knew Floyd beats Pacman handily. I said "we" knew, as in most people with any sense knows that Floyd beats Pacman handily.

floyd himself wasn't part of that "we" he was part of the too scared to fight club. you ever seen floyd vs Judah? he couldn't avoid the left hand. he was failing so bad that he ditched his entire defense and went to a high guard. have you seen pac fight people with high guards? rios and clottey....floyd doesn't even have any power to discourage pac like marquez, floyd also doesn't hold his ground like marquez and backs into the ropes all the time unlike marquez. it would have been a beatdown. we knew that and that's why we(floyd) ducked pac.

[Bushbaby]

floyd himself wasn't part of that "we" he was part of the too scared to fight club. you ever seen floyd vs Judah? he couldn't avoid the left hand. he was failing so bad that he ditched his entire defense and went to a high guard. have you seen pac fight people with high guards? rios and clottey....floyd doesn't even have any power to discourage pac like marquez, floyd also doesn't hold his ground like marquez and backs into the ropes all the time unlike marquez. it would have been a beatdown. we knew that and that's why we(floyd included) ducked pac.

Floyd uses his high guard in almost ever fight dude. He's adaptable like that.

[IMDAZED]

please start a thread when your done digging, i would love to know what you turn up....

And yes i know that espinoza was Oscar's and GBP's lead counsel, and then he becomes the head of showtime, and instantly GBP takes over the network..

Please let me know what you find my man,, because your right, it goes much deeper than the normal ducking

Espinoza was there before GBP was created. So was Schaefer. And Haymon has been all over boxing since the 80's. These guys aren't new.

I'd be shocked if this fight happens before Manny's contract with Arum runs out and even more shocked if he doesn't take a loss before that happens.

[Pu·gi·list]

The fight shouldn't happen because it's 4 years too late. I just said we already know the outcome to support that. You still cannot compare Floyd/Pacman to Broner/Maidana though.

No, I'm not comparing the fighters Floyd/Pacman to Broner/Maidana. I'm comparing what was said by everyone about the matchup just like what you're saying. There's a difference. You do not know the outcome. People said Broner has too much skill for Maidana, but Broner got his ass handed to him. It's really ignorant to say the Floyd/Pacman shouldn't happen because "you know the outcome"

[Bushbaby]

I gave up on the Pacquiao-Mayweather years ago and I agree Mayweather should be favored to win off recent fights they both have had. I don't agree that Pacquiao can't beat Mayweather. Pacquiao is still damn good and he has a chance to beat any welterweight in the world including Mayweather. That's why so many fans still want Mayweather to fight Pacquiao. They think Pacquiao can beat him. Mayweather doesn't get to claim a win over Pacquiao until he beats him in the ring.

Never said Floyd gets to claim a win. I'm more interested in dangerous fights. Like Lara or Thurman. I don't want to see any recycled crap, or a too late grudge match.

But yes, any pro fighter has a chance. Even the biggest no-hoper in Khan may land a lucky punch. I want the fight where I feel that Floyd will be tested. Floyd/Pacman is 4 years too late. Nothing will change that.

[RichardP]

GBP is really a front for Al Haymon, since he doesn't want to violate the Ali Act. Look at the GBP roster, and you'll see 70% of the fighters are Al Haymon fighters.

With that said, of course they're scared to fight TR fighters. TR has the true Top 5 P4P kings at the moment:

1. Manny Pacquiao
2. Timothy Bradley
3. Juan Manuel Marquez
4. Ruslan Provodnikov
5. Zou Shiming

oh sheeit.... did he really just post that? and did he really just throw zou shiming in the p4p list?

That boy on crack.

[Bushbaby]

No, I'm not comparing the fighters Floyd/Pacman to Broner/Maidana. I'm comparing what was said by everyone about the matchup just like what you're saying. There's a difference. You do not know the outcome. People said Broner has too much skill for Maidana, but Broner got his ass handed to him. It's really ignorant to say the Floyd/Pacman shouldn't happen because "you know the outcome"

I said Floyd/Pacman shouldn't happen because it's 4 years too late. The other part was to support that.