Guillermo Rigondeaux Vs. Leo Santa Cruz

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Originally Posted by el_mas_chingon

Other than Donaire who has Rigo fought and looked spectacular against, the tomato cans and cab drivers where the ones that gave Rigo Flash knockdowns. You think Leo is untested but Rigo has less than half the pro fights, eff his amateur career!

And Rigo hits harder than Gonzalez GTFO, Mares would beat Rigo same way he beat Moreno w/constant pressure!

Rigo has been down twice in his career. His glove touched the canvass (literally, that's all it was) versus Ricardo Cordoba, a solid fighter. Donaire, whom everyone knows is a very hard puncher, knocked Guillermo down coming off a clinch.

Rigo hits very hard. He knocks out cab drivers. Nonito and Agbeko are the only two fighters "El Chacal" hasn't dropped. But Donaire was running for his life at the end of their fight, and Joseph pulled a "Clottey." Anyone that comes at Rigondeaux risks getting KOed or having their face rearranged.

To this day I still laugh at the Donaire KD. Rigo had no regards for the count and was ready to go put it on Donaire asap. Not even Gamboa had pulled that off.


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[CubanGuyNYC]

To this day I still laugh at the Donaire KD. Rigo had no regards for the count and was ready to go put it on Donaire asap. Not even Gamboa had pulled that off.


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I think Rigo was embarrassed. He popped right up. If the ref hadn't stopped him to acknowledge the knockdown, Guille would've pounced on Nonito. As RubenSonny pointed out in another thread, "Rigo hates being the last to be hit."

[bojangles1987]

I love how people like you and NE keep downplaying Agbeko now. After the fact that Rigo made him look like a coward. The same thing you're saying about Santa Cruz now is the same thing yall said about Agbeko.

"He's long and has the work output to make Rigo uncomfortable."

We saw how that went.


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When did I ever big up Agbeko? Or New England? New England said the whole time that Agbeko would know he can't win fairly early and accept the wide UD loss. I never said Agbeko was going to give him trouble, just that there was potential. Obviously Agbeko decided in the first round he was content to last the distance and lose. I don't know why you're talking to me like I said something I didn't.

I think Santa Cruz at this point is much better than Agbeko at this point, and obviously much younger and more willing to walk through fire to prove himself. He probably does get dominated against Rigo, but he has the ability to give him a fight, and unlike with Agbeko I'm willing to say that if the fight happened, Leo would do much better than the majority will predict.

[Godsfly]

When did I ever big up Agbeko? Or New England? New England said the whole time that Agbeko would know he can't win fairly early and accept the wide UD loss. I never said Agbeko was going to give him trouble, just that there was potential. Obviously Agbeko decided in the first round he was content to last the distance and lose. I don't know why you're talking to me like I said something I didn't.

I think Santa Cruz at this point is much better than Agbeko at this point, and obviously much younger and more willing to walk through fire to prove himself. He probably does get dominated against Rigo, but he has the ability to give him a fight, and unlike with Agbeko I'm willing to say that if the fight happened, Leo would do much better than the majority will predict.

how? by fighting crap opponents? compare agbekos comp to leos & it's a laughing stock............i mean leo has fought absolute bums by comparison & you think leo is much better.


how?

because he certainly hasn't proven it with comp............

[bojangles1987]

how? by fighting crap opponents? compare agbekos comp to leos & it's a laughing stock............i mean leo has fought absolute bums by comparison & you think leo is much better.


how?

because he certainly hasn't proven it with comp............

I'm going off the eye test. Always dangerous when the competition isn't the best, I know, but Leo is looking really good against decent competition. It's clear he's a level or two above.

Agbeko is an old veteran who hasn't been relevant for a while and hasn't looked great since the first Mares fight.

[Godsfly]

I'm going off the eye test. Always dangerous when the competition isn't the best, I know, but Leo is looking really good against decent competition. It's clear he's a level or two above.

Agbeko is an old veteran who hasn't been relevant for a while and hasn't looked great since the first Mares fight.

the "eye test"



wait a minute............


what

cruz looked like absolute crap in his last fight (i actually thought the fight was competitive and went back and fourth) seda won like 5 rounds.

in no way shape or form did leo look good in that fight (regardless of what nut huggers would have you believe) and this was against seda........


no way can you compare agbekos opponent (rigo) to seda. what eye test? if a guy is fighting lesser comp you can't compare that to agbeko fighting someone like rigo........


what the hell is going on around here........

[bojangles1987]

the "eye test"



wait a minute............


what

cruz looked like absolute crap in his last fight (i actually thought the fight was competitive and went back and fourth) seda won like 5 rounds.

in no way shape or form did leo look good in that fight (regardless of what nut huggers would have you believe) and this was against seda........


no way can you compare agbekos opponent (rigo) to seda. what eye test? if a guy is fighting lesser comp you can't compare that to agbeko fighting someone like rigo........


what the hell is going on around here........

That isn't the least bit true. There's no way Seda won that many rounds, Santa Cruz boxed effectively and landed the best shots in damn near every round. Seda winning three rounds? Sure. Five? No way unless you're looking for reasons to not give Santa Cruz credit.

And not once did I compare Rigo to Seda, or even hint at comparing them. You pulled that out of nowhere.

Agbeko didn't look good in the Mares rematch, didn't even fight again until this year, and looked old and disinterested against Rigo. He's not the fighter he used to be. I can watch Santa Cruz and watch Agbeko and see one guy looks better than the other, and not just in their last fights, but their fights beforehand.

[bojangles1987]

Seriously, if Santa Cruz didn't have this ridiculous reputation as "baby-Margarito," and only being some high activity brawler, no one would be saying he looked bad against Seda.

[Godsfly]

That isn't the least bit true. There's no way Seda won that many rounds, Santa Cruz boxed effectively and landed the best shots in damn near every round. Seda winning three rounds? Sure. Five? No way unless you're looking for reasons to not give Santa Cruz credit.

And not once did I compare Rigo to Seda, or even hint at comparing them. You pulled that out of nowhere.

Agbeko didn't look good in the Mares rematch, didn't even fight again until this year, and looked old and disinterested against Rigo. He's not the fighter he used to be. I can watch Santa Cruz and watch Agbeko and see one guy looks better than the other, and not just in their last fights, but their fights beforehand.

no.....santa cruz looked like crap against seda. he didn't box effectively at all. (in fact he missed a lot of shots and his volume was greatly decreased) he won most of his rounds just by throwing a little bit more & thats really all. (in many of those rounds he was out boxed) and never mind what the 2 judges had it the last judge had santa cruz up by just 3 points........

the fight was a back and fourth competitive fight.........(santa cruz was sloppy) and sedas body shots slowed him down. (again.nut huggers will say that cruz boxed a terrific fight) it's BS.


agbeko looked bad against mares and rigo? (but both of these guys are much better then seda)

again.....you can't compare abekos fight with rigo to the bums that cruz is fighting. (lets see cruz fight mares, rigo, darchinyan.

seda made it competitive in there..............

[bojangles1987]

no.....santa cruz looked like crap against seda. he didn't box effectively at all. (in fact he missed a lot of shots and his volume was greatly decreased) he won most of his rounds just by throwing a little bit more & thats really all. (in many of those rounds he was out boxed) and never mind what the 2 judges had it the last judge had santa cruz up by just 3 points........

the fight was a back and fourth competitive fight.........(santa cruz was sloppy) and sedas body shots slowed him down. (again.nut huggers will say that cruz boxed a terrific fight) it's BS.


agbeko looked bad against mares and rigo? (but both of these guys are much better then seda)

again.....you can't compare abekos fight with rigo to the bums that cruz is fighting. (lets see cruz fight mares, rigo, darchinyan.

seda made it competitive in there..............

I could care less what 2 judges scored the fight as.

Santa Cruz didn't box terrifically, but he boxed effectively. Was it his best night? No. But he didn't look like crap at all. He was very rarely outboxed, Seda moving isn't the same as outboxing. Most Seda's shots were flurrying taps and the occasional good body shot, otherwise he wasn't landing much of note.

Santa Cruz had the better jab, landed better power shots, didn't get hit as much, and consistently controlled the action. What, just because he wasn't in the guy's face throwing a hundred shots means he was crap? Goes back to what I said about the "baby Margarito" crap influencing people.

Once again, I never once compared anyone Santa Cruz has fought to Rigondeaux or Mares. Agbeko had a fight earlier this year and didn't exactly look good then, either. He's ancient in boxing terms, especially for lower weight classes. Santa Cruz is dominating and proving a class or two above decent competition. He appears the much better fighter. Maybe Frampton or Mares or whoever he might fight next year will prove me wrong.