Comments Thread For: Amir Khan Say Mayweather Deal is "Very Close" Now

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Sorry he wasnt

That was my point. If you are trying to negotiate the biggest contract of your life, you don't try to do whatever you can to shoot it down by saying my opponent is a drug cheat. Right? But that is what Floyd did.

"Manny is a drug cheat .... oh and if Manny, the PHILs politician, is OK with me calling him a cheat and still wants to fight after I said that, then he must be tested .... BTW, my dad and GB feel the same way about Manny. He is a drug cheat."

[carloscruz10009]

That was my point. If you are trying to negotiate the biggest contract of your life, you don't try to do whatever you can to shoot it down by saying my opponent is a drug cheat. Right? But that is what Floyd did.

"Manny is a drug cheat .... oh and if Manny, the PHILs politician, is OK with me calling him a cheat and still wants to fight after I said that, then he must be tested .... BTW, my dad and GB feel the same way about Manny. He is a drug cheat."

Makes no sense. . Cotto margarito 2 perfect example

[ADP02]

Makes no sense. . Cotto margarito 2 perfect example

Perfect in your world perhaps.

Margarito was actually caught against Mosley not Cotto.
Floyd and company had no proof. They even had to apologize and say "Sorry Manny, we lied. You don't do drugs"

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Go read this :

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=621966

Schaefer wants Arum out of the picture and is scared that he, Schaefer, can be out of the picture. SO like I said, Arum IS Manny's promoter, Schaefer can be easily removed from being a part of the whole fight because he is NOT. So that is why he is making as much noise as possible. It may work because at the moment, Floyd isn't interested in fighting Manny either.

The way I see it, there is enough for all sides. If Floyd sees Manny as another A side type fighter and make it as a HUGE A vs A instead of promoting at as a A vs B fighter, the fight would attract even more casual fans. Thus generate even more money for everyone and therefore more for Floyd. If Floyd really wants it, he should look at the big picture and not only what is best for him only.

First of all, that's an old article that has nothing to do with the current discussion. I'm speaking strictly on what's happen after the Pac-Rios fight. Arum come out saying Manny wanted Floyd and he'd do whatever to make it. Schaefer responded, on behalf od Floyd, saying that they're willing to pay Arum a step aside fee, indential to what Arum offeref them for Mares services for a Donaire fight. And Arum has never responded.

As for the money. No one is losing money. Again, Bob will get his agreed upon percentage of Pac's purse. He'll also get a payout to release Pac for a night. His promotional banners will be present on press tours and the night of the fight. He'll be given his the amount of tix he would receive in a co-promotion. The only thing Schaefer is saying is that he doesn't wanna physically co-promotee the event with Arum. GBP will handle all the promotin of the fight. But Arum will still be paid. Which means they're basically paying him to stay outta the way. What's wrong with that? Is it about the fight? Or is it about Arum running the show?

As for their being two A-sides. That time is long gone my friend. Pac's PPvs have been dramatically dropping and Floyd is coming off record breaking numbers. Also, floyd is now clearly established as the P4P King. Pac has ZERO negotiating power.

So I'll ask again. Why is it necessary for Bob to be physically involved in promoting the fight? Likewise, if that's not the way business is done and just a smokescreen for Floyd to duck Manny. Why did Arum offer GBP the same deal for Mares services in regard to making Donaire-Mares? Still don't have an answer to that one.

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Where's pacboy? Funny he told me to log off.. haven't seen him since

Pacb!tch ain't dumb. He knows he brought a butter knife to a machine gun fight. And he's left this boy he drug in this shark tank to die.

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First of all, that's an old article that has nothing to do with the current discussion. I'm speaking strictly on what's happen after the Pac-Rios fight. Arum come out saying Manny wanted Floyd and he'd do whatever to make it. Schaefer responded, on behalf od Floyd, saying that they're willing to pay Arum a step aside fee, indential to what Arum offeref them for Mares services for a Donaire fight. And Arum has never responded.

As for the money. No one is losing money. Again, Bob will get his agreed upon percentage of Pac's purse. He'll also get a payout to release Pac for a night. His promotional banners will be present on press tours and the night of the fight. He'll be given his the amount of tix he would receive in a co-promotion. The only thing Schaefer is saying is that he doesn't wanna physically co-promotee the event with Arum. GBP will handle all the promotin of the fight. But Arum will still be paid. Which means they're basically paying him to stay outta the way. What's wrong with that? Is it about the fight? Or is it about Arum running the show?

As for their being two A-sides. That time is long gone my friend. Pac's PPvs have been dramatically dropping and Floyd is coming off record breaking numbers. Also, floyd is now clearly established as the P4P King. Pac has ZERO negotiating power.

So I'll ask again. Why is it necessary for Bob to be physically involved in promoting the fight? Likewise, if that's not the way business is done and just a smokescreen for Floyd to duck Manny. Why did Arum offer GBP the same deal for Mares services in regard to making Donaire-Mares? Still don't have an answer to that one.

This is old to you yet you keep on bringing up "Mares vs Donaire"?

"Golden Boy Boss Fears Prospect of Floyd Mayweather-Manny Pacquiao Superfight December 16th, 2013

By Ivan G. Goldman


I will repeat, GB is NOT really Floyd's promoter. To get to Floyd, you need to either discuss with Al Haymon/Ellerbe or Floyd himself. GB just communicates whatever he hears or is being told. Go check out some old interviews on this and you will get the picture.

Arum IS Manny's promoter.

So GB is purposely trying to steer the advantage into his corner but if Floyd really wants the fight, he can tell GB to relax and "get her done with Arum/Manny or move aside"


Donaire vs Mares is different as the promoters are Arum and GB but who cares about that fight right now??? GB is just p$ssed off at Arum but he knows that Arum is more important that GB let's out because every time Arum says something, GB responds!

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This is old to you yet you keep on bringing up "Mares vs Donaire"?

"Golden Boy Boss Fears Prospect of Floyd Mayweather-Manny Pacquiao Superfight December 16th, 2013

By Ivan G. Goldman


I will repeat, GB is NOT really Floyd's promoter. To get to Floyd, you need to either discuss with Al Haymon/Ellerbe or Floyd himself. GB just communicates whatever he hears or is being told. Go check out some old interviews on this and you will get the picture.

Arum IS Manny's promoter.

So GB is purposely trying to steer the advantage into his corner but if Floyd really wants the fight, he can tell GB to relax and "get her done with Arum/Manny or move aside"


Donaire vs Mares is different as the promoters are Arum and GB but who cares about that fight right now??? GB is just p$ssed off at Arum but he knows that Arum is more important that GB let's out because every time Arum says something, GB responds!

First of all, I'm not discussing a Donaire-Mares fight now. I'm discussion what took place when they were clearly the top jr featherweights in the world. And it is relevant because Arum is showing himself to be a hypocrite. He had the A-side when it came to Donaire-Mares. He doesn't wanna work GBP just like GBP doesn't wanna work with him. So he offered a flat fee for Mares services. He wasn't trying to cut GBP out financially. He just didn't wanna physically promote with fight with them.

Second of all. Your article is irrelevant to the discussion because I'm asking why hasn't Arum came out and responded? I can write an atricle about what I think right now. But it mwans nothing without the quotes of who I'm. Writing about.

Third, it doesn't matter how many times you say Floyd isn't a GBP fighter. The fact is, they have exclusively promoted his fights the last several years. So legal language asid, Floyd is basically a GBP fight.

Also, you insist that Floyd could easily go to GBP and say is cool to work with Arum, let's get it done. My question is, can Pac not do the same with Arum? Floyd isn't the one claiming that its the fight he wants most. Manny and his team were the ones chirping about wanting the fight. So to me, it seems that if that's truly what Pac wants. Don't you think I would make sense for Pac to go to Arum and say. "Look, I wanna fight this guy. Fall back on this one. Jim a make sure you're well taken care of financially. And I'm a make sure that after I win. The roles are gonna be reversed and you're gonna be promoting it and GBP won't." What's preventing Pac from doing that. I know its convienent to the "Floyd's ducking the fight" faithful to place everything on Floyd's shoulders. But what you fail to realize is that everything you insist Floyd could do. Pac could do the same.

At the end of the day. There's no logical way to piece together a logical argument that Floyd is solely to blame for the issue at hand. You can say Schaefer is outta line. Because Arum has done the exact same thing. You can say Floyd is creating roadblocks. If so, why is Pac making it easy to do so? If they're as confident as you are that Floyd is ducking. Why not pull his card? Why not come out and say cool. For the sake of the fight, Arum will fall back and let GBP run show. All in all. You can go one of ways. If all that's preventing the fight is GBP not wanting to co-promote with Arum. Arum can fall back because he's losign nothing. So in that case, its not being made because Arum's ego won't allow his to step aside and have his face plastered all over the promotion. Secondly, you cn go with you "Floyd's creating another roadblock" argument. Problem is, Arum attempted to do the exact same thing to GBP when he had the A-side. And we can twist anyway you want. But the facts are, according to the things Arum has and done, there's no way to place all blame at Floyd's feet.

[TwistedChimp]

Not sure. .. but justify pac vs rios. . ... it happens

Rios never been knocked out...he's been in a fight of the year...PAC was coming off a UD loss and a knockout loss.

[US Dirk Killer]

Rios never been knocked out...he's been in a fight of the year...PAC was coming off a UD loss and a knockout loss.

Same with Mayweather....oh wait...nvm

[iniduoh]

I'm a huge Mayweather fan but this right here is inexcusable. Everybody knows, at this moment, what the outcome will be.