2013 Boxingscene Fighter of the Year - Guillermo Rigondeaux

[Weebler I]

I thought you said only people with agenda's bring up weights? Objectivity, bro. You're the poster boy for Objectivity.

The catchweight doesn't matter to me but objectively it's something that gets considered when assessing a win. Play the ball, respond to the point made instead of always looking for an angle on the poster.

[IronDanHamza]

The catchweight doesn't matter to me but objectively it's something that gets considered when assessing a win. Play the ball, respond to the point made instead of looking for an angle on the poster.

No. You brought it up. If it's something that apparently doesn't matter to you then why are you bringing it up in your assessment? It shouldn't even be considered or brought up based on your words. It's irrelevant, a non-issue.

So why are you bringing it up when you said "Only people with agenda's bring up weights"?

I think the answer to that question is self explanatory.

[Weebler I]

No. You brought it up. If it's something that apparently doesn't matter to you then why are you bringing it up in your assessment? It shouldn't even be considered or brought up based on your words. It's irrelevant, a non-issue.

So why are you bringing it up when you said "Only people with agenda's bring up weights"?

I think the answer to that question is self explanatory.

Because it matters to others, and in particular the catchweight controversy will be something which will come up when they actually sit down to decide who receives the award.

You can do better than going at the poster all the time Dan, it's unnecessary and getting tiresome.

Beyond that, it was only a side-issue to the main point which is that Canelo is not very proven as a top fighter at this point in time and his only top win is Trout, an opponent Floyd himself didn't think Canelo beat clearly.

[IronDanHamza]

Because it matters to others, and in particular the catchweight controversy will be something which will come up when they actually sit down to decide who receives the award.

You can do better than going at the poster all the time Dan, it's unnecessary and getting tiresome.

Beyond that, it was only a side-issue to the main point which is that Canelo is not very proven as a top fighter and his only top win is Trout, an opponent Floyd himself didn't think Canelo beat clearly.

Why does it matter if it matters to others?

How are you going to be talking about objectivity, and say only people with agenda's bring up weights and then you yourself out of the blue bring up the catchweight to discredit the win?

The fact is you're talking about objectivity but your posts in this thread and in general are so far from objective.

You're bringing up reasons A,B and C to disredit Mayweather's wins then not using the same logic or doing the same thing for Stevenson.

You say; "Canelo's best win is Trout (Disputed) and Trout just lost to Lara"

Clearly discrediting the win

Then you say; "Cloud's best win is Glen Johnson"

And nothing else. That's it. No; (Disputed). No; He went 1-4 in his next 5 fights.

That's not objective. It's biased.

You say; "Canelo doesn't have any "real" wins"

Again, discrediting the win.

Then say; "Bellew was #6 and his best win was Chilemba who was #7"

And nothing else. No; Chilema has no real wins. No; Bellew has no real wins other than Chilemba who also has no real wins. All whilst using rankings for Stevenson's wins and opposition whilst shooting it down for Mayweather.

It's not objective in the slightest. So perhaps you shouldn't tell others to be.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

There is no question Bradley is in the debate for FOTY,it's funny your even questioning it..Bradley clearly showed he's one of the best fighters in the sport this yr..

Highlighted just,highlights that your a hater..Bradley throughout his career has not outclassed anyone..LMAO..

Throughout his career? Once again, it's called "Fighter of the YEAR"

[Weebler I]

Why does it matter if it matters to others?

How are you going to be talking about objectivity, and say only people with agenda's bring up weights and then you yourself out of the blue bring up the catchweight to discredit the win?

The fact is you're talking about objectivity but your posts in this thread and in general are so far from objective.

You're bringing up reasons A,B and C to disredit Mayweather's wins then not using the same logic or doing the same thing for Stevenson.

You say; "Canelo's best win is Trout (Disputed) and Trout just lost to Lara"

Clearly discrediting the win

Then you say; "Cloud's best win is Glen Johnson"

And nothing else. That's it. No; (Disputed). No; He went 1-4 in his next 5 fights.

That's not objective. It's biased.

You say; "Canelo doesn't have any "real" wins"

Again, discrediting the win.

Then say; "Bellew was #6 and his best win was Chilemba who was #7"

And nothing else. No; Chilema has no real wins. No; Bellew has no real wins other than Chilemba who also has no real wins. All whilst using rankings for Stevenson's wins and opposition whilst shooting it down for Mayweather.

It's not objective in the slightest. So perhaps you shouldn't tell others to be.

Man, you've gone off on one again. I respond to a point another poster made making my own point and instead of responding to that you jump in ranting about a side-issue and then about objectivity from way back in thread.

I get it, you think Canelo and Guerrero are great wins. I'm not seeing it because their respective records at the weight isn't strong. I think Dawson is much more proven than Canelo, Cloud more proven at 175 than Guerrero at 147 and then after that Stevenson has two other KO wins, one of which against a guy who KO'd him, the other against his mandatory who is still considered top 10 on almost every list. I think he has the better wins and the better year. That's as far as I'm going with you on it because thread is going off on irrelevant tangents.

[-=Shade=-]

So now you gotta be a reality tv hoe to be fighter of the year? Gtfoh you should be a Broner fan he is the opposite of Rigo in all aspects all hype no p4p skills.

It's hard to be a prize fighter if you can't get enough people to pay to watch for a prize. I say that as a guy that actually does tune in to watch Rigo when he's on air. Once Rigo gets a guy afraid to throw he really should press a bit. I can appreciate his, "Standing there getting hit to hit is nuts." but...

[IronDanHamza]

Man, you've gone off on one again. I respond to a point another poster made making my own point and instead of responding to that you jump in ranting about a side-issue and then about objectivity from way back in thread.

I get it, you think Canelo and Guerrero are great wins. I'm not seeing it because their respective records at the weight isn't strong. I think Dawson is much more proven than Canelo, Cloud more proven at 175 than Guerrero at 147 and then after that Stevenson has two other KO wins, one of which against a guy who KO'd him, the other against his mandatory who is still considered top 10 on almost every list. I think he has the better wins and the better year. That's as far as I'm going with you on it because thread is going off on irrelevant tangents.

Not at all. I'm not "Going off" on anything I'm asking you simple questions.

I'm asking you why you're putting certain things in brackets and using certain logic to criticize Mayweather's opposition and not doing the same for Stevenson? Why is it? You still haven't answered it.

All while having the audacity talk about objectivity.

[4Corners]

Floyd didn't win the lineal title at WW this year.

Ugh, yeah he did. It was vacant RING title I believe, the last time someone had it was Floyd back in 2007. He should have had it again against Mosley, but I think Pac was ranked ahead of Mosley, even though Mosley beat Margarito who was #1.

[4Corners]

Canelo has one significant top win in his entire career, [I]one[/]. A close disputed win over Trout who got then schooled by Lara. As things stand, do you really believe Mayweather's catchweight win over him is that good?

It could be considered a very good win in the future depending on how Alvarez progresses but right now, his record simply isn't there to support it and may never be.

Homie, you've been exposed a bit in this thread. You were steady saying Floyd would duck Canelo, and that Canelo had a good chance to beat Floyd. Talk about changing tune when it suits you, haha.