Comments Thread For: Frank Warren: Groves Impressive, Froch Was Exposed

[Boxing Goat]

No one's arguing that watching Calzaghe and Froch in the ring, Froch is the better fighter. At least I don't think anyone is.

But the resumes are very comparable, and Froch might have the edge. Especially since he has fought all his names basically in a crazy 5 year stretch with pretty much no break except for Yusuf Mack. Much better look than Calzaghe's career.

I agree he's taken on good opposition but when you throw in the probability of 3 losses during the stretch and how he was getting manhandled by Groves, I don't think the resume's are anywhere even close to being comparable.

[IronDanHamza]

Lets get this straight. Calzaghe's resume is not only better, it ****s all over Froch's.

Calzaghe is the undisputed world champ in 2 weight divisions with like 24 title fight wins.

This is compared to Froch never being a real champ in any division and having 9 title fight wins. 2 OF THOSE WERE EVEN FOR VACANT TITLES.

=Not debatable.

A H2H matchup is not even worth discussing.

So what? What does "24 title fight wins" even mean? Most of the guy's he fought in "title fights" were bums or not ranked in the Top 5 of the division.

His era is much weaker than Froch's. If he'd have fought in Calzaghe's era he'd have been the Champion at some point.

Simply put, his resume, at the very least is arguable as to which is better.

[Boxing Goat]

Because he wasn't hurt in the first round by that punch like he was in the 9th?

He is undefeated and came off the mat to win fights before. He was hurt, but as evidence of how he reacted when the fight was stopped, he wasn't that bad off. The ref robbed us of a better conclusion either way. I think that's at least worth admitting by you.

[IronDanHamza]

I agree he's taken on good opposition but when you throw in the probability of 3 losses during the stretch and how he was getting manhandled by Groves, I don't think the resume's are anywhere even close to being comparable.

The only fighter he has a losing a record to is Ward who likely would beat Calzaghe anyway.

They're resume's are obviously comparable.

[IronDanHamza]

He is undefeated and came off the mat to win fights before. He was hurt, but as evidence of how he reacted when the fight was stopped, he wasn't that bad off. The ref robbed us of a better conclusion either way. I think that's at least worth admitting by you.

Against the likes of Kenny Anderson which itself was a premature stoppage.

Obviously the referee stopped a better conclusion and an unknown conclusion.

I'm of the opinion that judging by the way Groves was clearly fading and how the momentum was clearly shifting that Froch would have stopped him. Which is nothing but my opinion.

[Boxing Goat]

So what? What does "24 title fight wins" even mean? Most of the guy's he fought in "title fights" were bums or not ranked in the Top 5 of the division.

His era is much weaker than Froch's. If he'd have fought in Calzaghe's era he'd have been the Champion at some point.

Simply put, his resume, at the very least is arguable as to which is better.

It's not arguable in the least. 24-0 with 2 lineal wins vs. 10-2 with no lineal wins is not comparable. The Hopkins win is better than Froch's entire career combined to be quite frank about it.

I've put in my two cents. Take it for what you will, but I'm done with this thread.

[IronDanHamza]

It's not arguable in the least. 24-0 with 2 lineal wins vs. 10-2 with no lineal wins is not comparable. The Hopkins win is better than Froch's entire career combined to be quite frank about it.

I've put in my two cents. Take it for what you will, but I'm done with this thread.

It obviously is Calzaghe has barely any good wins. Froch probably has more.

What you're saying is just numbers. Numbers mean little, it's who you actually fight that matters.

Someone could be 50-0 in a weak area whilst another one could be 40-3 in a strong era. Is the guy who's 50-0 automatically better? No.

[iron mike tyson]

frochs resume is only better because America didn't care about 168 after jones and toney went north and Europe dominated.

that said froch gets a lot of credit for fighting name after name on the spin even if his 2 biggest fights are losses

[adietheforestfa]

Warren is full of it. He offered Froch a deal where he signed as a Warren fighter on like a 5 fight deal.

Calzaghe faught some absolote bums in title fights.

Evans Ashira (how did he ever get a title shot?)
Manfredo
Bika (Calz looked awfull in this fight)
Jones Jr ( After saying he was shot and beating an old Joines would deserve no credit in his book)
Bhop ( 25 years past his Prime )
Lacy ( overhyped bum )
The list goes on...........

also could have quite easily lost a very close split points win over Robin Reid.

Calz resume is very weak.

Stfu Warren

[C.Y.]

Calzaghe is the better fighter and would win h2h imo but Froch clearly has the better resume. Hopkins is Cal's best win and he lost that fight. Anytime your best victory is over a 43 year old, that's saying something