Carl Froch vs George Groves IBF SMW Title & Undercards Prediction Discussion Thread

[tko jack]

Watch Groves v Degale it was the same Groves was walking the first half of the fight, Degale couldn't get near him, then Degale took over, the difference is Foch hits harder than Degale, IMO Groves lacks stamina.

[LacedUp]

Oh really,sad you brought into the commentators horse **** that Groves was far ahead in that fight..In rd 8 Froch clearly hurt Groves,so I'd say it was Froch who landed the better punches..What other cards that I posted if you don't mind me asking??

Is it the Judah Matt's robbery??LMAO,or was it the Khan Peterson robbery..I'm confused to which robbery were talking about now??I lose count of this ****** horse **** guy's talk about..There are robberies everywhere..

That first paragraph didn't even make sense. Groves landed the far cleaner, better, harder punches throughout the whole fight.

the bradley-pacquiao fight.

I watched parts of it last night, Froch took huge shots consistently but never looked hurt by them after R1. I watched the Pascal fight after and it was the same thing. The guy has immense punch resistance.

I disagree. Froch look shook from a jab in round 3. and was hurt in round 6 - much more than Groves was at all in the fight. having rewatched it once more, I'm horrified that such a bad stoppage can take place in a world title fight.

He does have immense punch resistance. But it wouldn't surprise me if he was stopped in his next couple of fights. Groves took something away from him. I'm sure of it.

[adietheforestfa]

Froch Groves My Scorecard

Im a Froch fan, rewatched the fight twice now and saw it live. Here is my Take

Groves Froch
1 10 8
2 10 9
3 10 9
4 10 9
5 9 10
6 10 9
7 9 10
8 9 10

Groves 3 point up.

Froch was winning the 9th.

IMO Groves gave everything in the 6th and had nothing left.

Only one way this fight was going to end was Froch stopping Groves.

Howard Foster should have let the fight go on and Give The Cobra the clear Stoppage.

Froch does not deserve all the comments that are flying about at the moment, he has just beaten a very good young hungry skilled fighter and again showed a great chin, stamina and heart.

A rematch will be the same, Groves winning the early rounds with Froch wearing him down in the second half and forcing the stoppage.

[LacedUp]

How exactly did Froch win the 7th?

He didn't land a damn thing.

8th possibly, 7th no way.

[Anderson Silva]

OP is ******ed, gtfo.

[Russian Crushin]

Finally! I've been waiting for your scorecard for 4 days! Wtf took you so long?!

[Citizen Koba]

Im a Froch fan, rewatched the fight twice now and saw it live. Here is my Take

Groves Froch
1 10 8
2 10 9
3 10 9
4 10 9
5 9 10
6 10 9
7 9 10
8 9 10

Groves 3 point up.

Froch was winning the 9th.

IMO Groves gave everything in the 6th and had nothing left.

Only one way this fight was going to end was Froch stopping Groves.

Howard Foster should have let the fight go on and Give The Cobra the clear Stoppage.

Froch does not deserve all the comments that are flying about at the moment, he has just beaten a very good young hungry skilled fighter and again showed a great chin, stamina and heart.

A rematch will be the same, Groves winning the early rounds with Froch wearing him down in the second half and forcing the stoppage.

I've watched it twice since. First with sound on then with it off. The commentary team were very excited by the KD and spent the restof the fight telling the viewers how they thought the fight was going rather than calling it as it was - not really faulting them it's easy to get caught up in the excitement.

OK. On fight night I gave 2, 6 and 8 to Froch, the rest to Groves.

Second time around, I gave 2, 5 and 8 to Froch.

I stuck with that on the silent viewing but also realised there was actually a reasonable case for 3 as well for Froch.

In short. The only indisputable rounds for Groves IMO were 1 (10-8), 4 and 7.

For Froch only 8 was indisputable.

Rewatching without the commentary teams over excited exaggerations (with no sound) it became apparent that Groves never had Froch in any significant danger after the first round KD. He managed to wobble Carl for a fraction of a second in 5 or 6 but had the favour returned. Groves was not landing many significant shots in any round and Froch in 2,3,5 and 6 could be seen to be landing a similar amount but perhaps with more effect (his physical pushing around and close in flurries were also a factor).

In short, whilst I'm happy with my initial 77-74 scorecard, I actually can easily see the 76-75 that 2 judges gave to so much approbation.

From rnd 6 onwards Groves was showing significant signs of fatigue, his arms start hanging looser and he frequently has his mouth open to breath.

The 9th round stoppage was still bad, but watching closely gives more insight into the stoppage. The ref had been watching the exchanges for about 30 seconds prior to stoppage looking increasingly concerned. Groves had been slumping on Froch in the exchange prior to the one that initiated the stoppage in the opposite corner for several seconds at a time. Whilst in my judgement he was just snatching a rest rather than badly hurt, it seems the ref thought otherwise (and it is further evidence anyway of just how tired Groves was becoming). Nonetheless when they broke Groves still appeared steady and quick on his feet for a couple of seconds before getting caught a second time on the ropes. To me it seems that ref, who'd already been close to the point of stopping it decided enough was enough when the final exchange drove Groves into the ropes and left him swinging badly wide.

From my POV the stoppage still wasn't justified, but a close rewatching of the refs action and body language showed that he had been concerned (perhaps overly so) for at least half a minute before the stoppage, rather the just having made a spontaneous flash decision.

Anyhows. I know I'm gonna get a ton of flack, (specially for my scores) but I've watched (and rewatched) it with as open a mind as I can, and I'm calling it as I see it.

[Enzo Mc is SHIT]

Thank god you finally posted your scorecard. And in a new thread too. Brilliant post.

[Citizen Koba]

How exactly did Froch win the 7th?

He didn't land a damn thing.

8th possibly, 7th no way.

Curiously I can't quite get the TS on that one either. 7 was one of the three rounds that I could give to Groves without question exactly for the reason you say.

[PACnPBFsuck]