Marquez is a champ in 4 divisions, Oldest lineal Lightweight champ in history a 5 time champ that won a dozen belts, and defeated around 15 champions.
Without Pacquiao, Marquez is still a HOF'er but going up 2 weightclasses to knock out a top P4P when you're close to 40 makes you an ATG.
But I do agree to a certain extent. Without Pacquiao, Marquez wouldn't be fighting at Welterweight. He had spent over a decade fighting at Featherweight. He basically kept moving up to chase Pacquiao all the way to Welterweight. Which made him significantly greater.
Infact the Salido fights alone disprove your point. Salido got in Guerrero's ass while Marquez didn't have much trouble with him. You'll discredit JMM anyway so i'm not expecting you or any of the butthurt fans to be objective
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