Where do you have GGG in your P4P rankings?

[Eastcoast]

those 6 top ten contenders are wholly average and nothing to right home about.....who was the best he beat? Geale or Murray......in 15 fights Rigondeaux has defeated more champions and title holders than ggg and is unified champ

If Rigondeaux were the same size, GGG, Canelo, Pacquaio and Alvarez they would get his ears boxed off IMO

IMO Estrada would beat them too...that's why its called pound for pound

Francisco has defeated everyone he has been in the ring with outside of Chocolatito Gonzalez....former champs and titlists Juan Carlos Sánchez, Jr., Brian Viloria, and Giovanni Segura...he also gave the best fighter in the world under 30 his toughest fight....GGG is in a crappy division

Don't see how any of that is enough to rate him over Pacquiao. By same your same rules, it seems Alvarez deserves to ranked ahead of Estrada. He lost to the best fighter in Mayweather (despite being under 23), and defeated title holders Lara and Trout.

unlike GGG, CANELO, Kovalev and Pacquaio he is the ring champion and also a unified champion.....his biggest win also trumps theirs....Nonito Donaire was considered a top 3 p4p guy in most peoples eyes

Pac fans will say Bradley was but I never rated him in the top 5 p4p

Rigo is a ring champion and unified champion based solely on the Donaire win. He hasn't tested himself regardless of the reasons against the top fighters in his division, a fact that cannot be ignored. Rankings should be dependent beyond a singe win.

Outside of Donaire & Cordoba, Rigo's resume is overrated. Ramos, Kennedy, Marroquin, Kokietgym, Amagasa, and Casey are not that good period. Without ever running into Rigo, those guys would've struggled to win and hold a title (Ramso won a version of the WBA just before losing to Rigo). Agbecko isn't even worth mentioning at that stage of his career and weight.

As for Donaire at #3, personally I always disagreed with that. He peaked at Montiel and by end of 2012 looked nothing like he did in 2010 & 2011 at 118. During his fighter of the year run in 2012, he was a one-dimensional head-hunter. It's why Vazquez made a comeback in their fight. His being at #3 was like when Vernon Forrest beat Shane Mosely and they unjustifiably made him #1 ahead of Roy Jones and Bernard Hopkins. People got carried away with the hype.

[therealpugilist]

If they were the same size naturally I would easily pick GGG by KO no hesitation. Crawford is the guy that was rocked by a small Gamboa, GGG would knock him out, but guess what we will never find out. But like I said it's your opinion, just like it's mine.
The reason people say 140-154 are the "best" divisions in boxing is because it's where American fighters dominate. Any weight where there is no American threat is considered a weak division.

if the fighters at middleweight were the same fighters, but American it would still be a crappy division

[Eastcoast]

He went on a 25 fight ko streak fighting similar competition and once he stepped up....he lost. I think the Hagler fight took his punch resistance and his true prime away but he was dominating average guys until he had to face McClellan, Norris, NUNN...guys on his talent level or higher

big time punchers always get overrated.

My point is....it wouldn't take someone to be as good as Nunn or Toney to dominate today's middleweights.....guys below them like R JOHNSON and Mugabi could dominate todays guys at the weight

Please don't put Reggie Johnson on the same level as John Mugabi. Big punchers get overrated for short periods of time. Mugabi was never a highly rated MW, he was always just a named opponent. A famous name to beat.

Todays MW division is no better nor worse than the division Hopkins ruled in the late 90's early 2000's. The division suffers from the advent of the JMW & SMW division in the late 80's to mid 90's. The biggest draw back to the current division is a lack of activity. There is some genuine talent that could compete at a much higher level if those fighters were to be utilized more.

[HI-TECH Boxing]

if the fighters at middleweight were the same fighters, but American it would still be a crappy division

That's what you think.

[therealpugilist]

Don't see how any of that is enough to rate him over Pacquiao. By same your same rules, it seems Alvarez deserves to ranked ahead of Estrada. He lost to the best fighter in Mayweather (despite being under 23), and defeated title holders Lara and Trout.



Rigo is a ring champion and unified champion based solely on the Donaire win. He hasn't tested himself regardless of the reasons against the top fighters in his division, a fact that cannot be ignored. Rankings should be dependent beyond a singe win.

Outside of Donaire & Cordoba, Rigo's resume is overrated. Ramos, Kennedy, Marroquin, Kokietgym, Amagasa, and Casey are not that good period. Without ever running into Rigo, those guys would've struggled to win and hold a title (Ramso won a version of the WBA just before losing to Rigo). Agbecko isn't even worth mentioning at that stage of his career and weight.

As for Donaire at #3, personally I always disagreed with that. He peaked at Montiel and by end of 2012 looked nothing like he did in 2010 & 2011 at 118. During his fighter of the year run in 2012, he was a one-dimensional head-hunter. It's why Vazquez made a comeback in their fight. His being at #3 was like when Vernon Forrest beat Shane Mosely and they unjustifiably made him #1 ahead of Roy Jones and Bernard Hopkins. People got carried away with the hype.

Donaire is still a better fighter than anyone GGG has faced by a country mile

I wouldn't compare it to Vernon forrest who got a lot of credit for one win


Donaire in 2007 beat an undefeated Vic Darchinyan and went on a tear for the next 5 years...during this time he defeated 10 world champions and titleholders...winning titles in 4 different weight divisions.....Jorge Arce, toshioki nishioka, Fernando montiel, Darchinyan, Moruti Mthalane, Wladimir Sidorenko, Jeffrey Mathebula, Wilfredo Vázquez, Jr., Omar Andres Narvaez, and Hernan Marquez



I ranked Estrada over Canelo because I think he is a better overall fighter

As far as Pacquaio, pound for pound also looks at your current form, not past laurels.....Manny Pacquaio is 3-3 in his last 6 fights....one being one of the most devastating Kayos in modern history, another being a robbery to Bradley, and the other loss was a 8-4 type loss.....he competition the last 5 years has not been all that impressive....guys like Bradley, Algieri, JMM, and Rios did nothing at welterweight by the time they fought him and Mosley hadn't won a fight in 3 years......How long is he supposed to get credit for wins that happened last decade? he isn't a top 5 pound for pound fighter anymore, although he is a legend, hall of famer, and all time great

[therealpugilist]

Please don't put Reggie Johnson on the same level as John Mugabi. Big punchers get overrated for short periods of time. Mugabi was never a highly rated MW, he was always just a named opponent. A famous name to beat.

Todays MW division is no better nor worse than the division Hopkins ruled in the late 90's early 2000's. The division suffers from the advent of the JMW & SMW division in the late 80's to mid 90's. The biggest draw back to the current division is a lack of activity. There is some genuine talent that could compete at a much higher level if those fighters were to be utilized more.

no matter how you slice it...middleweight is devoid of top notch talent

Reggie Johnson was a good fighter in his own right but he lost darn near everytime he stepped up, outside of a win over Julio Gonzalez and Steve Collins.....losses to John David Jackson, Roy Jones, James Toney, Jorge Castro twice, and Antonio Tarver.....he didn't beat a lot of type fighters but had nice hands

Middleweight today and in Hopkins title reign is very similar....very average

His best wins at the weight are over guys moving up from having starting at welter or lower like a washed up Simon Brown, ODLH, and Trinidad....John David Jackson was also long in the tooth

[Redd Foxx]

I don't, but he's right on the cusp. He just needs one legit fight to get the validation everyone's wanting to give him. You can't do it on speculation as that mistake has been made far too many times in the past. I'm more ok with putting a guy like Ward high in the rankings because we've at least seen him beat top guys without ever declining. I'd put a proven but inactive guy above someone who has yet to truly prove anything of substance.

[PlasterWraps]

I don't, but he's right on the cusp. He just needs one legit fight to get the validation everyone's wanting to give him. You can't do it on speculation as that mistake has been made far too many times in the past. I'm more ok with putting a guy like Ward high in the rankings because we've at least seen him beat top guys without ever declining. I'd put a proven but inactive guy above someone who has yet to truly prove anything of substance.

I don't have Ward or JMM on my list because they've been inactive. I think GGG is the goods, so I put him in the #8-10 range. Pending all the politics playing out right, I could see him top 3 in the next couple of years, but I don't know if he'll crack #1 with guys like Loma and Rigo around.

[therealpugilist]

I don't, but he's right on the cusp. He just needs one legit fight to get the validation everyone's wanting to give him. You can't do it on speculation as that mistake has been made far too many times in the past. I'm more ok with putting a guy like Ward high in the rankings because we've at least seen him beat top guys without ever declining. I'd put a proven but inactive guy above someone who has yet to truly prove anything of substance.

thanks for explaining why I have Andre Ward as my number 2....he is proven, undefeated and IMO if he was the same size as everyone, not named Mayweather, I'd pick him to beat them all.....GGG, Kovalev, Canelo, Chocolatito, and Rigondeaux to name a few

[Redd Foxx]

I don't have Ward or JMM on my list because they've been inactive. I think GGG is the goods, so I put him in the #8-10 range. Pending all the politics playing out right, I could see him top 3 in the next couple of years, but I don't know if he'll crack #1 with guys like Loma and Rigo around.

I agree about #1 being unobtainable for him. He's not going to get the credit with the guys at 160 and moving up to 168 presents some real challenges.