Stopping fights on medical grounds?

[King_]

I feel really bad for Mago and I have him and his family in my prayers. I was watching live and I thought the fight could of been stopped in the 6th round, honestly. I was kind of hoping his corner would stop it because you can tell he was gassed and had absolutely nothing left. Sure he was still throwing some jabs and some other punches, but man he had absolutely nothing on those punches, he was just arm punching and taking HUGE breaths....... Yeah, I know its boxing and you want a guy to go on and show heart, well he did, Mago showed a ton of heart but he had no legit fight left in him, he was just eating punches without throwing anything meaningful back, besides fatigue-ridden, looping punches. This was just such a hard call because he didn't look to be that hurt, he was eating all of Perez' punches but that prolonged punishment is the worst, Mago obviously wasn't going to get KO'd and I just wish JDJ would of stepped in and stop it, although I cannot blame anybody, like someone else in here said.... you really don't know the internal damage taken until after the fight.


The Lebedev fight was absolutely criminal. Look I had Lebedev slightly winning on the cards and I know the judges did too, they were obviously just trying to get him through to the cards - but at some point its just NOT worth it! His eye was balloned from like..... the 2nd-5th rounds? I respected Lebedev for being an absolute warrior but a fighter will come out no matter what, his corner needed to stop that. That was ****ing ridiculous.

[Weebler I]

I'd agree more fights should be stopped I'd even go further that there should be a leading by x at a certain point results in an early win. Like the points gap in amateurs.

That goes maybe a little too far for me, as some fighters tire late. It's open to corruption too.

Last I read there is more evidence supporting continued punishment being a source of serious injury.
I think this is extremely unlikely to happen.
As for the rematch clause that's even less likely.
The ******ity of most on here will say it's the pain game they know the risks etc but I think more needs to be done to protect the health of boxers.
This extends to mental health particularly after retirement.

Well you know if a cut is bad enough the referee stops the fight but if someone's jaw is broken or eye is closed they let the fighter continue to take huge shots on it? It doesn't make any sense.

The problem with this thread is that its all hindsight.

Learning from our mistakes. These situations are going to happen again in the future.

[KingTito]

It's hard to say. There have been many times when I was watching, last Saturday is one of them, where I was shaking my head that the fight wasn't stopped. If there's a break in the jaw, orbital bone or whatever then I think that it's obvious that there should be strong consideration to stop the fight. It's hard to pick an exact point to stop the fight. If you notice an injury, do you stop it right there or let it go a little more? I don't know. I do believe that fighter safety is most important though.

[WilkinsOlajuwon]

Ok so despite earlier weigh-ins name one new rule which has been implemented to prevent serious brain damage from repeated sustained blows?
Granted they have improved medical provision both at ring side and pre/ post fight.
I think my suggestions are worthy of consideration.
But unpopular with the majority for two reasons one people don't like change and two it takes the horror out of boxing.

There arent many new rules because like we've been saying its nearly impossible to know in the middle of a fight if permanent damage is being done. I dont know why you would think this would be different.

You havent really given any solutions other than a mercy rule. Simpy "stopping fights earlier" is not a tenable solution because, again, its nearly impossible to tell if there is permanent damage going on during a fight.

A mercy rule would need open scoring and that just ruins boxing at all levels.

At the end of the day boxing is what it is. Its a commendable effort to make it completely safe, but at the same time its very difficult if not impossible.

[Funky_Monk]

That goes maybe a little too far for me, as some fighters tire late. It's open to corruption too.



Well you know if a cut is bad enough the referee stops the fight but if someone's jaw is broken or eye is closed they let the fighter continue to take huge shots on it? It doesn't make any sense.



Learning from our mistakes. These situations are going to happen again in the future.

I know what you are getting at but I feel a fight should stop if it's no longer competitive.
We can hardly criticise for not stopping earlier then say well he might have come back.

One possible detrimental effect could be both fighters are heavily fatigued by round 8.
Lack of oxygen is a known contributing factor

[WitherGlove]

What I find ironic about this thread is now that another fighter is fighting for his life people talk about a fight being stopped but the same night when stevens quit it was a punk move yet both fighters could have ended up the same. Personally I wouldn't mind either being stopped this is why fights get stopped because things like this. I will say this This the Russia dude made it hard to determine if the fight should be stopped because he had moments where he rocked Perez even when he was messed all up. Still I hope he pulls through ok

[King_]

What I find ironic about this thread is now that another fighter is fighting for his life people talk about a fight being stopped but the same night when stevens quit it was a punk move yet both fighters could have ended up the same. Personally I wouldn't mind either being stopped this is why fights get stopped because things like this. I will say this This the Russia dude made it hard to determine if the fight should be stopped because he had moments where he rocked Perez even when he was messed all up. Still I hope he pulls through ok

Usually anyone on here calling anyone a punk for "quitting" is just trolling/obvious alt, don't worry

[Funky_Monk]

There arent many new rules because like we've been saying its nearly impossible to know in the middle of a fight if permanent damage is being done. I dont know why you would think this would be different.

You havent really given any solutions other than a mercy rule. Simpy "stopping fights earlier" is not a tenable solution because, again, its nearly impossible to tell if there is permanent damage going on during a fight.

A mercy rule would need open scoring and that just ruins boxing at all levels.

At the end of the day boxing is what it is. Its a commendable effort to make it completely safe, but at the same time its very difficult if not impossible.

Why or how does open scoring ruin boxing? It could also be closed and computer based.
Two simple rules are one medical evidence beyond cuts should be considered by an impartial party two if a boxer is over 6 rounds ahead by round 8 it stops.
My point remains as you can evidence no new rule changes or guidance that not enough is being done.
It's interesting that scandanavia bans pro boxing. I'd say they are one of the more progressive societies.
I wouldn't want that and I understand the hypocrisy of that statement but more can be done

[Weebler I]

I understand this is a sensitive issue but people like yourself get all worked up and displace your angst. There is not a single person alive that would be against stopping fights before a fighter got permanent damage.

The problem is that its nearly impossible to know this in the heat of the fight. That's not an opinion. If I was wrong we wouldn't have disabled fighters.

Margarito and Matthysse's eye injuries were obvious. They couldn't see but continued to get pounded on them with shots they couldn't see coming eventually resulting in broken orbital bones.

Sure it would have been bad luck for Matthysse to have the fight stopped in R.7 but it's worse to have his career ended and his long-term health and eyesight put at risk.

[LacedUp]

the BBBofC usually employ their refs to stop the fight when appropriate.

A lot of people abroad criticize it, but I applaud it.