Comments Thread For: Stevens Views Golovkin As An Overrated 'Hype Job'

[Ravens Fan]

I agree with you 100%. Other than the klitschkos that part of the world hasn't been a hot bed for great boxing talent. I have being saying this for the longest. Rosado was getting to this dude and if it wasn't for the cuts "due to GGG tampered gloves" that fight probably would have turn out differently. Don't be surprised when Stevens sink your dream boat.

Can I ask where do you get your information? What proof do you have that GGG tampered with the gloves? Did Quillin also tamper with his gloves when he split Rosado's face open?

I will also say this again. I don't understand how anyone that watched the GGG-Rosado fight, that has good eyesight, can even claim that Rosado was in that fight. Personally I thought two rounds were close and they were the 3rd and 4th rounds. I may have even given the 3rd round to Rosado but GGG really came on in the last minute and pounded him. The 4th was close but other than that GGG smacked the snot out of Rosado.

Finally with that comment of yours about that part of the world not being a hot bed of boxing talent makes me wonder if you even watch boxing? So for 5hits and giggles I did some research. In five of the top six weight divisions there are 26 fighters from the former Soviet Union that are ranked by Ring magazine, so a little more than half, to include several belt holders. There are 16 Americans ranked in the same divisions.

I did not count the welterweights because there were no fighters from the former Soviet Union ranked. But to be fair there are six Americans ranked at WW so it does even it up a little. I also did not look at the divisions below Jr WW.

My point is that you may not believe there is much boxing talent coming out of that part of the world but the the folks at Ring Magazine seem to disagree with you and so do I. And I also believe that anyone who has been paying attention to the sport for the past decade would also tend to disagree with you. But we are all free to express our own opinions even if they make no sense.

[dray435]

FYI: A troll is someone who makes inflammatory comments in the hope of provoking a hostile response.

If you genuinely believe Golovkin is nothing exceptional and that Rosado was in any way having success in their fight, that isn't trolling. It's... curious, but not trolling. To be fair however he would have to be something truly remarkable to live up to the hyperbole surrounding him.

FWIW I think it's likely he'll be on the P4P top 10 lists within a few more fights, which would pretty much by definition make him exceptional. In addition having the highest KO ratio of any MW champion in history (and of any current champion) is already 'exceptional' IMO.

Thanks for defining what a troll is, now back to reality, golovkin is not exceptional! he is hyped! he does nothing exceptionally well! he doesn't have a great offense or defense! so what is all the hype about!? And he has beaten fighters that he should have beaten and he has struggled with b level fighters in rosado and ouma fighters he should have koed in convincing fashion as soon as he faces a good fighter with skill, heart, a chin, can punch and take a punch he is going to get koed, remember you heard it here first. Below is an example of what an all time great fighter is a fighter who possessed skill, toughness, determination, ring smarts and could punch the greatest MW in the history of the sport, a fighter who held the undisputed MW title for seven yeard before he was robbed in the leonard fight, a fighter who would have destroyed golovkin, eaaaaaaaaaaaaaaasy work. You are obviously a boxing novice a boxing ****** who knows very little about boxing so I felt it necessary too educate you on what real skill and greatness is. This is him as close to his prime as I could find understand that he didn't get his first title shot until his 49th fight when he won the title he was past his prime but still went on to be considered by many as the greatest MW in the history of the sport, and one of the really all time greats he beat hearns, mugabi, leonard, and duran being well past his prime that says a lot about how good he really was, but he was just a shell of himself when he fought leonard, leonard by his own admission said he waited for him to decline before he fought him because he felt he couldn't beat him in his prime, even as a badly faded fighter he still gave leonard hell and won the fight in the eyes of many, this is truly MW greatness not this media hyped star golovkin, please learn boxing before you make ridiculous statements like that.




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[Cuban Linx]

I agree with you 100%. Other than the klitschkos that part of the world hasn't been a hot bed for great boxing talent. I have being saying this for the longest. Rosado was getting to this dude and if it wasn't for the cuts "due to GGG tampered gloves" that fight probably would have turn out differently. Don't be surprised when Stevens sink your dream boat.

That part of the world has made a massive impact on boxing world wide.

People forget that the Cuban boxing is 100% influenced by the Eastern Bloc. The Soviets would send their top trainers, trainers from an amateur sports system that was designed to harvest Olympic medals. Cuban success in boxing is attributed to the implementation of that system. Had that system not been implemented, they would be as relevant as the Dominican's are in boxing right now.

That part of the world has produced a lot of good fighters over the years. Maybe they have only produced a few "ATG", but in the weight class 154 and above, and even in some of the lower weight classes, you can look back the last 10 years, and you'll find several top 10 ranked fighters from Eastern Europe and many champions.

That area is always going to be relevant in boxing.

I expect GGG to give Curtis Stevens a lesson.

[HeroBando]

as soon as he faces a good fighter with skill, heart, a chin, can punch and take a punch he is going to get koed, remember you heard it here first.

Which guy is this? Some fantasy matchup from the past?

Btw didn't hear it from you first, there's a guy that comes out with a new alt every week to say this, then gets banned. A different guy

[Ravens Fan]

Thanks for defining what a troll is, now back to reality, golovkin is not exceptional! he is hyped! he does nothing exceptionally well! he doesn't have a great offense or defense! so what is all the hype about!? And he has beaten fighters that he should have beaten and he has struggled with b level fighters in rosado and ouma fighters he should have koed in convincing fashion as soon as he faces a good fighter with skill, heart, a chin, can punch and take a punch he is going to get koed, remember you heard it here first. Below is an example of what an all time great fighter is a fighter who possessed skill, toughness, determination, ring smarts and could punch the greatest MW in the history of the sport, a fighter who held the undisputed MW title for seven yeard before he was robbed in the leonard fight, a fighter who would have destroyed golovkin, eaaaaaaaaaaaaaaasy work. You are obviously a boxing novice a boxing ****** who knows very little about boxing so I felt it necessary too educate you on what real skill and greatness is. This is him as close to his prime as I could find understand that he didn't get his first title shot until his 49th fight when he won the title he was past his prime but still went on to be considered by many as the greatest MW in the history of the sport, and one of the really all time greats he beat hearns, mugabi, leonard, and duran being well past his prime that says a lot about how good he really was, but he was just a shell of himself when he fought leonard, leonard by his own admission said he waited for him to decline before he fought him because he felt he couldn't beat him in his prime, even as a badly faded fighter he still gave leonard hell and won the fight in the eyes of many, this is truly MW greatness not this media hyped star golovkin, please learn boxing before you make ridiculous statements like that.

I am a huge Hagler fan and can I ask who is comparing GGG to Marvin? I have heard no one comparing the two. So are you starting arguments just to start arguments, are you bored? I also have to ask what makes you think Hagler was passed his prime when he was only 26 years old when he fought Antuofermo the first time? That was his first title fight, and he fought Duran before he was 30 years old and he was only 33 years old when he fought Sugar Ray. He was only fighting once a year the last couple years of his career. But you make it sound as if he climbed out of a wheel chair and was on oxygen when he fought Ray. Hagler also shocked many, to include myself, when he retired and moved to Italy. I also thought he beat Ray so in the long run Hagler had nothing to prove and he went out on top in my opinion. And I was glad to see that he must of felt the say way and stayed retired. And he will always be one of the few who was able to do that.

[dray435]

I am a huge Hagler fan and can I ask who is comparing GGG to Marvin? I have heard no one comparing the two. So are you starting arguments just to start arguments, are you bored? I also have to ask what makes you think Hagler was passed his prime when he was only 26 years old when he fought Antuofermo the first time? That was his first title fight, and he fought Duran before he was 30 years old and he was only 33 years old when he fought Sugar Ray. He was only fighting once a year the last couple years of his career. But you make it sound as if he climbed out of a wheel chair and was on oxygen when he fought Ray. Hagler also shocked many, to include myself, when he retired and moved to Italy. I also thought he beat Ray so in the long run Hagler had nothing to prove and he went out on top in my opinion. And I was glad to see that he must of felt the say way and stayed retired. And he will always be one of the few who was able to do that.

Hagler didn't get his first title shot until his 49th fight the long road to the title eroded his skills and resulted in him fighting past his prime and defending his title past his prime, fighters normally peak or reach their peak around the 25-30th fight, hagler was no different in that regard factor in the battles against, hearns and mugabi and what you have is an obvious shop worn version of hagler and that was quite obvious to anyone who followed marvins career, when he faced leonard hagler was merely a shell of himself his timing was deplorable, he had no legs, his reflexes were dulled but he still manged to give leonard hell for 12 rds that's a testament to how great a fighter he was. As it relates to comparing him to ggg you're right no one has compared him to hagler on these boards yet, but they will eventually, and I'm sure they do it behind closed doors now, so just in case anyone is even thinking such absurd thoughts I am making it clear ahead of time that there is no comparison it is like night and day, hagler would have killed him, for those who would even think about comparing the two he is not in hagler league nor will he ever be, skills pay the bills and he does not have haglers skillset, determination, or toughness period, end of story.

[DARKSEID]

Golovkin has talent that's obvious, but he hasn't really beaten anybody.

Rosado isn't that good. I don't see anything special about him.

[Ravens Fan]

Hagler didn't get his first title shot until his 49th fight the long road to the title eroded his skills and resulted in him fighting past his prime and defending his title past his prime, fighters normally peak or reach their peak around the 25-30th fight, hagler was no different in that regard factor in the battles against, hearns and mugabi and what you have is an obvious shop worn version of hagler and that was quite obvious to anyone who followed marvins career, when he faced leonard hagler was merely a shell of himself his timing was deplorable, he had no legs, his reflexes were dulled but he still manged to give leonard hell for 12 rds that's a testament to how great a fighter he was. As it relates to comparing him to ggg you're right no one has compared him to hagler on these boards yet, but they will eventually, and I'm sure they do it behind closed doors now, so just in case anyone is even thinking such absurd thoughts I am making it clear ahead of time that there is no comparison it is like night and day, hagler would have killed him, for those who would even think about comparing the two he is not in hagler league nor will he ever be, skills pay the bills and he does not have haglers skillset, determination, or toughness period, end of story.

I just disagree with you and this is why. Hagler had beaten the consensus number one and legitimately dangerous challenger in Mugabi and did it in rather convincing fashion. I also just watched both fights again and no one was talking about how washed up Hagler looked in the fight with the Beast. Simply because he wasn't.

Not Gil Clancy not Al Bernstein non of them mentioned anything about him being washed up. As for the Leonard fight. Clancy's biggest concern was why Hagler wasn't fighting southpaw in the fight for the first few rounds. They also focused on what Ray was doing. Simply because I believe they were as surprised as everyone else happened to be as to how Ray was fighting after such a long lay-off. And again Hagler may have been getting old and even possibly past his prime but I don't believe he was anywhere near as washed up as you make it sound. I am also going touch on one other aspect of what you said.

You make it sound like it was such an issue that Hagler did not fight for a title until his 49th fight. When I don't believe it was an issue at all and I simply believe he was just one of the last of the old school fighters. With that thought I also put a short list together to compare Hagler's career with a few other notable fighters.

The list consist of the name of the fighters and how many fights they had before they had a title fight and also their age at the time of their first title fight. The list is as follows; Julio Caesar Chavez Sr. 43 fights age 22, Rocky Marciano 43 fights age 30, Willie Pep 53 fights age 20, Sugar Ray Robinson 75 fights age 25, Henry Armstrong 91 fights age 28 and the elder-statesmen of the this particular group would be Archie Moore with 160 fights at age 36.

So, it is obviously not that uncommon of an occurrence and I would also say that that is a pretty impressive list by anyone's standards. And other then the original Bhop, that being Archie Moore, I don't believe that anyone would suggest that the other fighters in that group were past their primes solely based on the number fights they had before they won a title. I am also sure if you looked into you could also add many more names to the list. I also don't believe that many would suggest that Hagler was past his prime at the young age of 26 years of age.

That is why I disagree with you and as far as comparing GGG to Hagler, at this point it makes absolutely no sense to do so. But who knows that may change sometime in the future. And I believe that it would be good for boxing if there was in fact ever a need to really compare the two fighters careers. Have a good one!

[dray435]

I just disagree with you and this is why. Hagler had beaten the consensus number one and legitimately dangerous challenger in Mugabi and did it in rather convincing fashion. I also just watched both fights again and no one was talking about how washed up Hagler looked in the fight with the Beast. Simply because he wasn't.

Not Gil Clancy not Al Bernstein non of them mentioned anything about him being washed up. As for the Leonard fight. Clancy's biggest concern was why Hagler wasn't fighting southpaw in the fight for the first few rounds. They also focused on what Ray was doing. Simply because I believe they were as surprised as everyone else happened to be as to how Ray was fighting after such a long lay-off. And again Hagler may have been getting old and even possibly past his prime but I don't believe he was anywhere near as washed up as you make it sound. I am also going touch on one other aspect of what you said.

You make it sound like it was such an issue that Hagler did not fight for a title until his 49th fight. When I don't believe it was an issue at all and I simply believe he was just one of the last of the old school fighters. With that thought I also put a short list together to compare Hagler's career with a few other notable fighters.

The list consist of the name of the fighters and how many fights they had before they had a title fight and also their age at the time of their first title fight. The list is as follows; Julio Caesar Chavez Sr. 43 fights age 22, Rocky Marciano 43 fights age 30, Willie Pep 53 fights age 20, Sugar Ray Robinson 75 fights age 25, Henry Armstrong 91 fights age 28 and the elder-statesmen of the this particular group would be Archie Moore with 160 fights at age 36.

So, it is obviously not that uncommon of an occurrence and I would also say that that is a pretty impressive list by anyone's standards. And other then the original Bhop, that being Archie Moore, I don't believe that anyone would suggest that the other fighters in that group were past their primes solely based on the number fights they had before they won a title. I am also sure if you looked into you could also add many more names to the list. I also don't believe that many would suggest that Hagler was past his prime at the young age of 26 years of age.

That is why I disagree with you and as far as comparing GGG to Hagler, at this point it makes absolutely no sense to do so. But who knows that may change sometime in the future. And I believe that it would be good for boxing if there was in fact ever a need to really compare the two fighters careers. Have a good one!

You are digging pretty far back to find fighters that had that many fights before getting title shots, that was a completely different era in the days when ray robinson and marciano fought. But in haglers era with the exception of chavez and maybe a few others having that many fights before getting a title shot was pretty unheard of, and not the norm, and to suggest that it did not erode chavez skills or the other fighters skills so therefore couldn't have eroded haglers skills is presumptuous to say the least.The question is how do you know that it didn't erode the skills of the other aforementioned fighters or hagler? I will tell you that I have seen earlier fights of hagler where he had much better foot movement, mobility, speed and reflexes before he won the title, he may have been a more seasoned and honed fighter based on all the fights and experience, but he was not as quick and as mobile as he was in his earlier years. Compare the post champion hagler to the pre champion hagler and you can see an obvious decline in mobility, speed and reflexes.


But every fighter is different and I honestly believe purer diets in ray robinsons era made for better health and therefore better conditioned and better performing fighters, fighters that recovered more quickly because of the bodies ability to heal and recover based on superior nutrition,they didn't have as many processed foods back then,and milk for instance which is very beneficial in improving overall health, grass fed milk that is, was produced from cows who ate only grass as opposed to grain. Grass fed cows milk has some amazing health benefits and is heart healthy as opposed to grain fed cows milk that is heart unhealthy and full of antibiotics and other harmful substances,it is produced from cows eating grain something they were not design to do which makes the product inferior. Not to mention the harmful effects of pesticides and other substances which were not as widely used back then as they are now. All these things I believe contributed to better overall health and therefore resulted in better conditioned and healthier fighters who were able to fight harder and longer without suffering the ill effects of being negatively impacted or slowed down from such rigorous schedules.



Honestly you can't always expect to get the real truth from sports announcer, many who are biased and paid to speak favorably about the house fighter, how many times has jim lampley and max kellerman for instance and others painted a completely false and inaccurate picture of what was actually going on in the ring? It doesn't matter whether gil clancey or any other sports announcer failed to see it or not, leonard saw it and said as much and that is all that really matters, ray by his own admission said he noticed how hagler was getting hit with shots that he normally wouldn't get hit with, he said that he saw a clear sign of slippage, factor in the brutality of the mugabi fight and it clearly shows in haglers performance that he was not the same fighter afterwards, his timing was deplorable, he had no legs, his reflexes were not there in the leonard fight, being a longtime fan of hagler and following his career it was obvious to me that the ring wars as well as natural skill erosion over time had taken a toll and it showed in hagler's performance, and that hagler who fought leonard was quite obviously not the hagler of old, but great points though I see you did some research.

[dray435]

That is why I disagree with you and as far as comparing GGG to Hagler, at this point it makes absolutely no sense to do so. But who knows that may change sometime in the future. And I believe that it would be good for boxing if there was in fact ever a need to really compare the two fighters careers. Have a good one!

And you're right comparing him to hagler makes no sense and it never will because he is not in haglers league and he never will be, because he does not possess haglers natural ability and skill, or his toughness, determination and chin, fighters like gabe rosado and ouma would have never backed hagler up hagler would have walked right through them and stopped them in spectacular fashion.