Do Wlad's 3 defeats hamper his ATG status?

[Jam Jars]

Wlad didn't turn into a great fighter, he learnt how to spoil, hold and lean his way out of and prevent problems, not something to be admired.

[MartinC]

It hampers it a bit but the lack of meaningful competition hampers it a lot more.

[-Kev-]

Wlad didn't turn into a great fighter, he learnt how to spoil, hold and lean his way out of and prevent problems, not something to be admired.

Funnily enough, you described Carlos Molina to a T, and people support him way more than they support Wlad. Despite Wlad having 51 KO's out of 61 wins.

There could be different reasons for this:

1. Boxing fans refuse to give Europeans their just due.
2. Because Molina has been in some close fights that didn't go his way, he gets sympathy from fans, despite having the worst style of any top 10 active fighter of any division.
3. Like all other boxers who are on top for along time, Wlad's career gets nitpicked to death.

[Weltschmerz]

Wlad didn't turn into a great fighter, he learnt how to spoil, hold and lean his way out of and prevent problems, not something to be admired.

[edgarg]

It wouldn't be fair really.

How much does Pacquiao's losses to Singsurat and Torrecampo affect his ATG status?

"Well, Pacquiao made up for it by winning titles in 8 weight classes and beating HOF'ers."

So, didn't Wlad made up for it? He became the reigning HW champ for how many years? Against top 10 HW's. Sure the division is weak, but Wlad makes it weak, and as soon as he retires, you will see how exciting the HW division will get. It's weak because the top guy there is too dominant.

There are other fighters who had a few losses to worst fighters than Sanders and Brewster and people still like them. This is about Wlad's style, that's what the hate is all about. If he was knocking guys out in 3 rounds or less, people would have gone crazy over him.

I think your post is an accurate account. As well, MannyP's early KO losses were both weight drainage losses. In one of them he had to come in at 111 and was 112 thus getting a penalty of 14 or 16 oz gloves, and I think it was a body shot. he was still a growing kid. In the second loss he was so weight drained that he couldn't make it and lost the title that way. He had to skip two weights and fought next at 122.

As for Klitschko''s 3 losses, the first against Ross Purrity was just a case of wearing himself out after bouncing Purrity off every surface in the hall for 9 rds. Purrity was TKOd on a cut in his second fight, and never again until against VK again on a cut. he had a cast iron chin. Also Klitschko was only 20, and not fully grown. As well, it was his 25th fight in 24 months.... Against Sanders, Klitschko was unprepared for the sudden punching, especially when accompanied by a very hard head. You can see it clearly in slo mo.... As for Brewster, the ref should have stopped it in the previous rd as Brewster was taking a hell of a beating. And there's no doubt but that something was wrong with Klitschko as the lab reports later showed.

You can probably make an equally good case for the other guys. But at the same time it is neccessary to know what really went on, both before and during the fights. Sometimes i can be eye-opening. There's a;ways just so much more to a result than the bare W or L.

[Weltschmerz]

I think your post is an accurate account. As well, MannyP's early KO losses were both weight drainage losses. In one of them he had to come in at 111 and was 112 thus getting a penalty of 14 or 16 oz gloves, and I think it was a body shot. he was still a growing kid. In the second loss he was so weight drained that he couldn't make it and lost the title that way. He had to skip two weights and fought next at 122.

As for Klitschko''s 3 losses, the first against Ross Purrity was just a case of wearing himself out after bouncing Purrity off every surface in the hall for 9 rds. Purrity was TKOd on a cut in his second fight, and never again until against VK again on a cut. he had a cast iron chin. Also Klitschko was only 20, and not fully grown. As well, it was his 25th fight in 24 months.... Against Sanders, Klitschko was unprepared for the sudden punching, especially when accompanied by a very hard head. You can see it clearly in slo mo.... As for Brewster, the ref should have stopped it in the previous rd as Brewster was taking a hell of a beating. And there's no doubt but that something was wrong with Klitschko as the lab reports later showed.

You can probably make an equally good case for the other guys. But at the same time it is neccessary to know what really went on, both before and during the fights. Sometimes i can be eye-opening. There's a;ways just so much more to a result than the bare W or L.

Good post, as usual.

[B-Bomber]

It wouldn't be fair really.

How much does Pacquiao's losses to Singsurat and Torrecampo affect his ATG status?

Sure the division is weak, but Wlad makes it weak, and as soon as he retires, you will see how exciting the HW division will get. It's weak because the top guy there is too dominant.

There are other fighters who had a few losses to worst fighters than Sanders and Brewster and people still like them. This is about Wlad's style, that's what the hate is all about. If he was knocking guys out in 3 rounds or less, people would have gone crazy over him.

1) It is not the same, Pacquaio went on to fight guys like De la Hoya, Cotto, Margarito, Hatton, JMM, Barrera etc. Wlad went on to fight ... who? his best win is probably Haye or Peters. The level of competition is just not the same.

2) Wlad makes it weak?. Does he force feed Arreola and Solis (fighters that by the way, he did not fight)?. And I'd say the "top guys", no other World Champion in history had the benefit of a brother who would fight punchers, so that Wlad doesn't have to. What if Vitali wasn't there to beat Sanders and then retire?.

3) Yes, there are many other fighters with embarassing losses, but most of them are not ATG. What ATG has that kind of losses mixed with an unimpressive competition? (since you bring out Pacquaio I guess you are talking about ATG's in all weight classes, while Wladimir isn't even a top 10 HW ATG in my opinion).

[A-Wolf]

Not at all.

He's STILL not an ATG even if he was unblemished against that ****heap.

[Weltschmerz]

1) It is not the same, Pacquaio went on to fight guys like De la Hoya, Cotto, Margarito, Hatton, JMM, Barrera etc. Wlad went on to fight ... who? his best win is probably Haye or Peters. The level of competition is just not the same.

2) Wlad makes it weak?. Does he force feed Arreola and Solis (fighters that by the way, he did not fight)?. And I'd say the "top guys", no other World Champion in history had the benefit of a brother who would fight punchers, so that Wlad doesn't have to. What if Vitali wasn't there to beat Sanders and then retire?.

3) Yes, there are many other fighters with embarassing losses, but most of them are not ATG. What ATG has that kind of losses mixed with an unimpressive competition? (since you bring out Pacquaio I guess you are talking about ATG's in all weight classes, while Wladimir isn't even a top 10 HW ATG in my opinion).

smh...... of course he is.

[Weltschmerz]

Not at all.

He's STILL not an ATG even if he was unblemished against that ****heap.

LOL. Troll comment, clearly.